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Is Dr. Rima Laibow Exaggerating About CODEX? August 8, 2008

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On June 14 I posted at the Gary Null Forum to update my original post, which questioned the motivations for certain outrageous statements Dr. Rima Laibow made about CODEX in a video, repeated nearly verbatim in an interview Gary Null did, which I heard on the local Pacifica station. I was careful not to embellish the story on Null’s forum, but I’ll state some of my conclusions at the end here. I got suspicious originally because of this appeal for money using the story of Laurie Jessop on her web site:

The family is in desperate need of support and legal assistance. The Natural Solutions Foundation is taking this threat to our collective Health Freedom and our Freedom of Speech very seriously. The Foundation will continue to assist and are building a network of natural physicians, Constitutional lawyers and other experts to be ready to act as “amicus curiae” – Friends of the Court – in similar cases. If you can help us fund or staff our Health Freedom Posse, please reply via email. Remember that your donations key to these battles!

Laurie Jessop requested emphatically that Health Freedom USA remove that appeal, but she was ignored. Orac has that linked on one of his posts attempting to prove Laurie Jessop’s story was just a hoax I made up. She never got a red cent from that appeal, only assurances that since her story was in the public domain, Health Freedom USA could care less how she felt about them using her story to raise money.

This was my original post at the Gary Null forum from Jan. 29 this year.

Dr. Rima Laibow has posted on her web site the video of her talk Nutricide – Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs.

The video begins with this: Let me tell you about Codex Alimentarius. Let me define it for you. Let me help you understand the enemy. And let me assure you, that absolutely nothing that I’m going to tell you is exaggerated, is interpolated, or is imagined. Everything I’m going to tell you is documented, and a great deal of it is documented on my web site.

At 16:18:

Let’s talk about milk. We have recombinant bovine growth hormone, and now we can choose milk with it or milk without it, butter with it, butter without it, right? Not under CODEX. Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone. Furthermore, under CODEX, every animal used for food on the planet, whether it has fins, feet, or feathers, every animal on the planet must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics, must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics and must be treated with exogenous growth hormones. CODEX requires, mandates, that all food be irradiated, unless it’s eaten locally and raw. All food, including organic food, of course.

Those are exact quotes from her video. On the morning of 12/13/2007, I sent the following fax to Natural Solutions Foundation:

Subject: CODEX
I tried to send an e-mail, but your system kept giving me an error, claiming I hadn’t entered a subject! I heard Dr. Rima Laibow say CODEX will require all cows to be injected with rBST, and all food to be irradiated. Did I hear that correctly? Could I get a source for these statements? I went poking around the CODEX site, but couldn’t find anything like that. Is it hiding, or did I just not know where to look? Please respond via e-mail. Thank you.

I got no response. On 12/31/2007, I sent the following through their regular e-mail system, which had been fixed by then:

I heard Dr. Rima Laibow say CODEX will require all cows to be injected with rBST, and all food to be irradiated. Did I hear that correctly? Could I get a source for these statements? I went poking around the CODEX site, but couldn’t find anything like that. Is it hiding, or did I just not know where to look?

This is a second request. I tried to send this request for a source nearly three weeks ago, but your system kept giving me an error, claiming I hadn’t entered a subject! I sent a fax instead, but have received no response. If I do not get a satisfactory response within two weeks, I will assume there is no source and that Dr. Rima Laibow is exaggerating for effect, to frighten people into donating to this organization.

I still have received no response, and I’m out of patience. Can anyone document those statements, or am I to conclude they are exaggerations that cannot be documented? Dr. Laibow and her attorney Ralph Fucetola were prominently featured in Vaccine Nation, at least in the version premiered at the So. Calif. Health Support Group meeting on 12/09/2007. I think it’s detrimental to the credibility of the alternative health movement to have such people posing as authorities making outrageous statements that cannot be backed up about CODEX. Is that the intention? If not, what is the intention?

This was my update.

It has now been six months since I requested documentation of these claims. I did receive some responses shortly after I posted here, but these responses fall far short of what I’d consider documentation.

This was the first response, on Feb. 2:

Hi Alex! Certain foods are already being irradiated in this country, even without Codex and, as you must know, cows in many dairies have been getting the BST shot for years, though some dairies have stopped using it because of the problems it creates. Dr. Rima is in Africa at a Codex meeting and will be returning in a week. All you have to do is use the internet and google information on irradiation of foods, gm foods, foods that are sprayed with virusses, pasteuration of almonds, the list goes on and on! At our site at www.healthfreedomusa.org you can click on the tab along the heading about Codex and learn what is in the planning there! Or you can google Codex and learn a lot on the net. As for us trying to scare people into donations, we operate on a shoestring budget and most of the people on our mailing list are very aware of the power of the FDA/Feds/Pharmaceutical Companies. They are not scared by us– they are aware, educated and concerned about the monster the U.S. government is becoming. If you trust Big Pharma with your health, then by all means, stop using nutrients and enjoy their chemical mixes! But we choose the organic, non-irradiated, non gm foods that have NOT been sprayed with virusses! And we do not like the laws that the Powers that Be try to pass to keep us from having them. And frankly, we volunteers do not have the many hours it would take to see to your personal education. At the last Codex meeting, several small nations argued that GM foods should be labelled. The United States delegation insisted that they NOT be labelled because Americans won’t eat food that they know is GM. In other words, we should not have choices. This particular labelling issue is still up in the air. I am sorry if there are sometimes problems with the site- when we can afford to, we will have it upgraded. But you are wrong about the money. It is the PRO-Codex people who have lots of money- and they get it from the government and your taxes! -Kathy Greene for the Natural Solutions Foundation

I responded:

Thank you for the belated response. I asked for a source, not an education. I already knew most of that. This answer is evasion, not a satisfactory response. Dr. Laibow used the words all and every, not some. She was quite emphatic about it. I’m referring to her video Nutricide – Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs, about 16 minutes in. You are insulting my intelligence. I searched for anything to corroborate these claims. I found nothing. I did find on the blog, “All fruit and veggies imported into the US must be irradiated.” That’s not what Dr. Laibow said on the video, unless she means by locally grown, grown in the USA, and that all food is fruit or veggie. I also found something on your site noting that Europe and Canada have banned rBST. How does CODEX intend to get around that?

A week ago, tired of waiting, I transcribed the section of the video to post on the Gary Null Forum asking for corroboration of these claims. Nobody has volunteered any information. These are the exact quotes I posted there:

“Let me tell you about Codex Alimentarius. Let me define it for you. Let me help you understand the enemy. And let me assure you, that absolutely nothing that I’m going to tell you is exaggerated, is interpolated, or is imagined. Everything I’m going to tell you is documented, and a great deal of it is documented on my web site.”

“Let’s talk about milk. We have recombinant bovine growth hormone, and now we can choose milk with it or milk without it, butter with it, butter without it, right? Not under CODEX. Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone. Furthermore, under CODEX, every animal used for food on the planet, whether it has fins, feet, or feathers, every animal on the planet must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics, must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics and must be treated with exogenous growth hormones. CODEX requires, mandates, that all food be irradiated, unless it’s eaten locally and raw. All food, including organic food, of course.”

Nothing is exaggerated, and everything is documented? I want a reliable source. It should not take you hours to find me that source, if it exists. If I don’t get one soon, I’ll be blogging about this. Maybe for the benefit of Gary Null’s readers, Dr. Laibow should post her response to my post at his forum.

I note that in my original request, I left out the qualifier for cows, “dairy” (which should have been obvious), and for all food, “unless it’s eaten locally and raw” (which covers a great deal more than imported fruit and veggies).

Alexander Wren
AKA Angry Scientist

Ms. Greene responded on Feb. 9:

Hi Alex! Dr. Rima is still in Africa and will not be back for at least another week. I personally cannot give you the “very precise” info you seem to think is necessary, so I will forward this to her for answer when she can take time away from the Codex fight to make you happy. Since she does not carry files with her when travelling, you may simply have to develop some patience. I was not at all evasive in my answer to you- I do not personally save all the research I read and thus cannot quote it directly to you- Personally, I suggest that you go ahead and trust Big Pharma and the FDA and eat everything that the government tells you is safe– and then remember to take the stick out, so it can pass through! -Kathy

I waited until Feb. 28, then responded:

My patience is wearing thin. Once it gets to be three months since I asked for a source, about two weeks from now, I’ll post these insulting evasive replies from Kathy on Gary Null’s message board as evidence of your bad faith. Then I’ll think about what to write on my blog. Maybe you don’t realize many bloggers consider themselves journalists. Stalling a request for a source is highly suspicious.

Alexander Wren
AKA Angry Scientist

Ralph Fucetola JD responded on March 2:

Dear Mr. Wren,

Dr. Laibow is unavailable to answer your inquiry. She asked me to help you find the information you seek. She has reviewed, by her estimate, over 16,000 pages of Codex information and concluded that the results of those regulations would be to effectively mandate food irradiation and the use of rBST additives.

I just Googled “rBST Codex” and got a number of references from about ten years ago: rBST was the subject of Codex rule making, but the final decision has not been concluded, thus leaving rBST allowable in any amount for the world food trade as may be acceptable to the receiving country.

http://www.foodcomm.org.uk/animal_rBST.htm

“Consumers win rBST delay at Codex

“In a landmark decision by the international food standards agency, Codex, an application to have a standard set for the residue limits of rBST was rejected, following appeals by Consumers International at a Codex meeting in June 1997. The USA had requested an international standard for minimum residue limits for the hormone, which would have effectively given it a trading licence by Codex.”

There is a book on Google Book Search that talks about later developments:

Case Studies in US Trade Negotiations where the footnote on page 308 says that JECFA “concluded that bST residual levels in milk were very low and that bST naturally found in milk is nontoxic. According to JECFA no MRL was necessary when rbST was administered properly.”

According to Food Chemical News $1 No. 21, July 12, 1999, the Codex regs are being held at step 8, which is the step before finalization.

But, of course, US FDA policy is to “harmonize” with such regulations “even when not finalized…” (see Code of Federal Regulations, October 11, 1995 (60 FR 53078) so it is fairly clear that Codex permits rBST products to be sold in countries such as the US.

We are dealing here with the World Food Code, not our Anglo-American common law, so this is a situation where what ever is permitted may very well become deemed obligatory.

Here is a good overview of Codex and food irradiation:

“Within Codex, food irradiation is classified as an additive. Thus, food irradiation falls under the jurisdiction of the Codex Committee on Food Additives and Contaminants (CCFAC). CCFAC depends on several sources of information in evaluating food additives. In the case of irradiation, CCFAC draws from the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committees on Food Additives (JECFA) as well as the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the International Consultative Group on Food Irradiation (ICGFI). As shown in an October 2002 report by Public Citizen, Bad Taste: The Disturbing Truth About the World Health Organisation’s Endorsement of Food Irradiation,2 the WHO has relied on a very small number of faulty studies in declaring food irradiation safe; this unscientific and shoddy work is the foundation of acceptance of food irradiation across the world. *** Codex has become an instrument of the liberalization of international trade, instead of a method to protect the food supplies of peoples across the world.”

“Codex weakened the international food irradiation rule to allow any food to be irradiated at any dose, regardless of how high. The new Standard contains no maximum radiation dose to which foods can be ‘treated.’ The previous limit was 10 kiloGray, a dose of radiation equivalent to 330 million chest X-rays. At such doses, the chemical composition of foods can be altered; vitamins, proteins and other nutrients can be destroyed; and flavor, odor and texture can be corrupted.”

“Since Codex standards are enforceable through the World Trade Organization, member nations that have food irradiation laws stricter than the new Codex Standard could have their laws challenged and overruled.”

A number of web sites have interpreted the allowance of irradiated foods to be tantamount to requiring such processes. See: http://www.care2.com/news/member/410531040/649659

“If FDA and Codex has its way, all food will be irradiated…”

In my view, that which is permitted under Codex, and to which the US FDA will harmonize, becomes mandatory under the SPS Agreement (Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures) and under WTO dispute resolution.

The process by which “voluntary” standards become WTO mandatory requirements is stated in many places:

“The Codex General Standard for Irradiated Foods (CAC/RS 106-1979) was adopted by the Codex Alimentarius Commission at its 13th Session in 1979 and was subsequently revised in 1983 by the 15th Session. This Standard has been submitted to all Member Nations and Associate Members of FAO and WHO for acceptance in accordance with the General Principles of the Codex Alimentarius.”

http://www.caobisco.com/doc_uploads/legislation/STAN106-EN.pdf

I believe it is fair to conclude that the norm for international trade is routine irradiation of foods moving in international trade, and certainly those produced by the largest global food companies, where the economics of the situation dictate treating all food substances alike.

Thus, while I cannot say that 100% of all foods moving in international trade are now irradiated, I believe it appropriate to assert that nearly all of the bulk food supplies upon which the world relies for wholesome nutrition are likely to be irradiated. Of course careful producers of organic foods, herbs and spices will do their best to avoid irradiation, that that hardly amounts to a couple percents of the world food trade.

In a world of non-finalized but domestically binding international standards, routine practices of the food industry are international law in practice and confirm Dr. Laibow’s concerns.

Ralph Fucetola, JD
The Vitamin Lawyer.com Consultancy

http://www.vitaminlawyer.com/

http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/

All Rights Reserved . . .

—— Original Message ——
Received: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:14:59 AM EST
From: “Rima E. Laibow” (dr.laibow@gmail.com)
To: “Ralph Fucetola JD” (ralph.fucetola@usa.net)
Subject: Fwd: Contact: CODEX

Ralph, Dr. Laibow would appreciate it if you could respond to Mr. Wren.
Kathy

Finally an in depth response! I responded:

Thank you for your detailed response. However, I’m not buying your arguments. Here’s why. I wouldn’t be surprised if the FDA finds some excuse like CODEX to mandate rBST, but Dr. Laibow stated, “Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone.” Our FDA doesn’t govern every dairy cow on the planet. You know as well as I the European Union would never go along with that. They’re pissed off enough as it is with US pressure to accept our genetically modified crops, and they’re not alone. Your argument is at best inconclusive. Dr. Laibow’s concerns may be justifiable, but that’s a far cry from claiming to have documentation that a worldwide requirement is already mandated, waiting for the right moment to spring it on an unwary world.

Regarding food irradiation, the link you cite at care2.com is to a posting from healthfreedomusa.org, hardly an independent source. You speak of “foods moving in international trade.” Dr. Laibow stated: “CODEX requires, mandates, that all food be irradiated, unless it’s eaten locally and raw. All food, including organic food, of course.” That goes a good deal further than “foods moving in international trade.” Besides, how could authorities know whether food will be eaten locally and raw, unless it is consumed at the premises it is sold, or originally produced? Are you implying eaten locally means the food doesn’t cross any international borders? I know most, if not all, imported foods are already required by US Customs to undergo irradiation or fumigation. You’re implying organic food might escape, but that’s not what Dr. Laibow said. At best, Dr. Laibow is jumping to conclusions about what might happen in a worst case scenario. You haven’t cited anything to document her outrageous statements, merely reasons why her concerns might be valid. This is not documentation. I’m a scientist. If you think you can snow me with your legal mumbo-jumbo, think again. So, is this the best you can do to document Dr. Laibow’s claims?

Evidently, that was supposed to be sufficient documentation; I’ve heard nothing since. I leave it to the reader to judge if my assessment is unfair or inaccurate.

This is an example of why the alternative health movement isn’t taken seriously. This woman and her lawyer go around making these eye-popping statements about what that nefarious CODEX is up to, but when asked to back them up, I got this crap. I don’t doubt CODEX is a threat to health freedom, but making these kinds of statements just gives the orthodoxy ammunition to say the alternative health movement is all quackery and doesn’t know what it’s talking about. They can point to Dr. Laibow as an example of someone well respected in the movement, supposedly an expert on CODEX, who makes outrageous unsubstantiated claims trying to scare people, and thus deserves no credibility. She may indeed be an expert on CODEX, but such easily disproven statements make her sound like she’s gone off the deep end. The medical orthodoxy is eager to exploit any weak link in the chain to cast doubt on the credibility of the alternative health movement. Is Dr. Laibow deliberately making that easier? If not, what’s her game? What’s the point of making claims she must know are exaggerated after making such a big point of saying

…absolutely nothing that I’m going to tell you is exaggerated, is interpolated, or is imagined. Everything I’m going to tell you is documented…

Like hell it is. She knows better. She’s doing this for a reason. Is it just to raise money from people naive enough to believe her? Or is her purpose more nefarious? Is she a spy on the alternative health movement, a plant to weaken it from within? The movement has enough trouble with unscrupulous profiteers who are in it for the money, not to help people. The quackbusters paint the entire movement with a broad brush, as if it’s nothing but a bunch of con artists selling snake oil. There are a few, along with some others who do help people, but think their particular remedy is a cure-all, or charge too much. All of this gets blown out of proportion, giving everyone questioning the orthodoxy a bad name. The last thing the movement needs is people making wild charges they can’t back up. The scientific truth isn’t on the side of the orthodoxy, but it can maintain its power as long as it can undermine the credibility of its critics. Critics who undermine their own credibility are doing the orthodoxy a big favor. I must question, whose side are they on?

Comments»

1. Christine - September 5, 2008

Hey, thanks for writing this. I, too, watched one of Dr. Laibow’s videos and heard her claims about the allegedly evil Codex with its diabolical plan to slowly lead the world into ill-health and starvation via covert food tampering. Initially, I was startled, but when I couldn’t find the sources for her claims on Codex’s site or anywhere else for that matter, I wondered how she could have gained such privvy knowledge. I wrote to her asking if I was correct in hearing her say that Codex planned to classify vitamins as toxins and place limits upon the potency levels of supplementary vitamins and–per her strong implication–genetically modified foods that contain vitamins, yet I received an evasive reply that made a negative statement about Codex, possibly in an attempt to trigger my emotions and shut off my ability to reason in such a state, but the reply did not confirm or negate the truth of the information in question. I have since signed up for her email newsletter out of curiosity only, and each email that I receive from Dr. Laibow uses sensationalist tactics while making requests for donations. Hmm. I agree with you that Dr. Laibow seems to be either jumping wildly to conclusions and–I would add–getting lost in her own mania about it–or purposefully distorting data to create panic and exploit people for money in their state of fear.

Lately, she has been sending emails about the supposedly “weaponized” avian flu that, according to her, is being created with the aim of wiping out mass-numbers of people. Just today, though, she sent an email stating (I quote directly), “IF there is no Avian Flu pandemic, one reason might be that once the secret is made public, the PTB backs off.” Doesn’t it seem convenient that Laibow is creating an easy out for herself on the chance that her wild prediction might not bcome true? It’s interesting that her way out rests on attributing the failure of the avian flu to efforts (like hers) to make it public? It’s as if she’s saying that the avian flu is being concocted but that if it is never released into the public, it’s because SHE put an end to it; in either case, she is the hero. Definite circular logic.

I’m a well-educated and socially aware individual who is alert to the abuse of power in government and big corporations who mix personal interest with public policy, yet I am also not naive, and I recognize that a person (like Laibow) could see a potential profit in people like me by trying to instigate fear via the creation of a fantastical reality in which people react (monetarily) on instinct.

If Laibow is sincere in what are true efforts to save humanity from a fascist control of their diets, then I laud her, but the fact that she fails to site specific quotes and sources that directly confirm her allegations gives rise to suspicion.

Graham K - February 10, 2010

EXACTLY…I couldn’t agree more.
I too watched Rima’s video, stating that the mission statement behind codex was to starve the worlds population by stripping essential nutrients from food, and the unbelievably crass statement projecting world deaths totalling 2-3 BILIION people, all spouted forth from her presidential-style podium.
Watch the video again.
Notice the complete lack of audience participation/ applause/ Q&A.
After such a sweeping, dramatic statement, one would expect mass gasps of disbelief, followed by 1001 questions. It didn’t happen.
Why?
Because the whole thing was STAGED, that’s why, and the few rare times that the camera does pan into the (surprisingly) sparse audience, it does not show Rima holding court.
And how about the claim that vitamins and suppliments will be taken off sale by January 2010? Strange, as I don’t happen to have any problems obtaining anything I want in my corner of the globe.
Codex is just an overseeing body that governs unscrupulous business from exploiting the gullable, and QUACKS like Rima.
Also, bear this in mind.
Remember the U.S mind control/ remote viewing project,( First Earth Battalion) baby of retired Major Stublebine? Guess what? He just happens to be married to Mrs Laibow….. you couldn’t make it up! Totally barking!

Dave Paul Allen - December 27, 2013

“Codex planned to classify vitamins as toxins”
I’ve heard this from other sources too so her lack of quoted sources does not bother me.
I seem to remember that she told us of her finely tuned ‘bullshit’ meter aquired from her mother’s ‘psychotic’ parenting.
My own dysfunctional childhood left its scars on me so I give her some grace- you don’t identify with her perhaps exagerated outrage(emotional scars) at injustice and ‘authoritive’ lies ….?

angryscientist - December 27, 2013

I have plenty of outrage at injustice and authoritative lies. I’m a scientist. As such, I don’t have the luxury of exaggerating my case; that would only be used against me. That’s my point; because she wildly exaggerates her case, she acts to the detriment of the credibility of anyone else who challenges the scientific orthodoxy. I don’t believe she could be blind to that, so I have to wonder, is it deliberate? What’s her angle?

2. angryscientist - September 5, 2008

I believe CODEX is a nefarious organization and will probably give cover to the FDA to try to make supplements much harder to get, maybe by prescription only at much higher prices. The FDA has already outlawed raw almonds and tryptophan, conducted raids on alternative doctors and health food stores, and there’s little doubt it has nutritional supplements and high-dose vitamins in its sights. Some European countries have already moved to put these under strict control. However, Dr. Laibow seems to have her own agenda, and I can’t trust anything she says after the slippery nonsense her cronies threw at me, a blogger trying to get a source for some of her more outlandish claims.

John Boy - December 22, 2009

Believe her now douchebag? The government can and will do anything it wants. It may take a little time to fully implement, but here we are days away and it’s close to being passed without a whisper. She does not stand to profit from her claims any more than she would by being bought off by big Agra and pharma. Where are her motivations? You are one of the reasons that things like codex will continue to happen. Either on the gov’t dole for disinformation purposes or too stupid to see what is right in front of your face. Either way, thanks fir being an EXPERT and further xontinueing the death of the people who need your help. Merry Xmas douche

angryscientist - December 22, 2009

Regardless of what happens with CODEX, Dr. Laibow made unsupportable claims as if they were documented facts. That’s called disinformation. Your presumptions about me are equally unsupportable. What’s your motivation for these scurrilous attacks on me, John Boy?

Annie - January 10, 2013

Dr.Laibow doesn’t owe you anything Alex Wren. That’s your first mistake. You were demanding something as though she owed you. It’s the other way around. If the government implemented Codex Alimentarius and you hear something outrageous about it, shouldn’t you question your government? Why don’t you demand and answer from them? They are the ones that serve you, not Dr. Laibow. She has her cause and is fighting for it. Since you are a blogger and consider yourself to be a part of the media, why don’t you go out and do some research of your own. Instead of attacking her, why don’t you get informed and disprove her claims with YOUR OWN facts. You said that you searched and found nothing. Maybe you’re not the journalist you thought you were. Right now, you are attacking an organization simply because you don’t believe them, without any facts of your own.

Dr. Laibow gets her information from attending their meetings. The reason why they are not on the codex website is because it is happening under your nose. You said “Our FDA doesn’t govern every dairy cow on the planet. You know as well as I the European Union would never go along with that.” Do you have proof to back those claims? I find that claim to be outrageous and unsupported. That’s the key, the FDA would not allow it but it has gone through anyway. So ask your government why and how did that happen without telling your people. If you cannot find any information to debunk Dr. Laibow, then find other information on Codex. I don’t care if you think you are right or if she thinks she is right. But you have an even weaker claim than the person you are attacking.

There was a naturopath that got his house raided by the government Canadian government on Youtube that shows you the power of codex. You might want to check that out.

Annie, WordPress doesn’t allow me to reply to your comment directly after it, so I’m editing your nonsense. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Are you aware of all the dairies that put a label on their products stating they are rBGH free? How is that happening, if all cows must be injected with rBGH? I never said the FDA wouldn’t allow it; they are in the pocket of Monsanto and the other biotech giants. I did say the European Union wouldn’t go along with it. How did you miss that? Are you even aware the rights to rBGH were sold? Why was that done, if it was such a big seller? It isn’t. Nobody wants that stuff except some big US dairy farmers who only care about the volume of milk they can sell.

Dr. Laibow has no particular obligation to me, but to avoid a straightforward request for documentation that she claims to have smacks of dishonesty. I think she has something to hide. Interesting that you concede she has a weak claim. No kidding! What I want to know is, whose side is she on? Is she really fighting CODEX, or infiltrating and helping to discredit those who really are fighting CODEX? Did you actually get the impression I don’t question the government? What a leap of faith that would be! I know there are many people who’d think if I question someone who seems to be fighting the government, I must be on the side of the government! Anyone simple-minded or naive enough to think that ought to think again.

3. Jerzy Lipiecki - September 12, 2008

Bits and pieces of information of the kind can be coming
from various sources, including hysterical or hunches.
They all add up to waking me from bliss of not knowing,
and this I appreciate regardless of the postman.

4. Ellen - October 19, 2008

Thanks for this post. I was just watching one of Dr. Laibow’s videos about this and was wondering the same thing about how well these CODEX regulations would go over in GM paranoid Europe. I work for a company that sells natural products and the FDA has targeted us for not being compliant with there very ambiguous rules over what claims we can make. I understand wanting to make sure US consumers are protected from harm from products, but I don’t think that really covers our products or the FDA wouldn’t allow us to sell them period. Anyway, with this in mind, I was intrigued to hear what Dr. Laibow had to say and do wish it was something more verifiable and not so Orwellian (as she would say). And you are right about the natural health movement needing competent voices. What they need is to form a lobbying group like everyone else in order to get their 2 cents into our government.

5. Kili - November 6, 2008

Dear all,

I have met Dr. Rima at some point when she was physically ill, she was recovering from poisoning.
This physician has been a drug free Psychiatrist in the US, this alone should give you a hint of how sincere she is in her journey battling for our rights for natural health. (did I mention it is about “our rights” ?)

Most of her opposition comes from highly organised coporation that exert heavy lobby. Let us not opose her, for that is clearly counter productive, even considering that we may rightly or not consider her claims too great. At the end of the day we are consumers, and the level of our ego has nothing to do with it.

Her husband is a retired US army general. If you think these two and the network of well-intended people around them have no mean of seeing clear/ reaching inside info; think twice. And if you want clearer insight into the battle because you are an educated man or woman whose opinion & influence matters, then support them! get closer to their organisation. Maybe you will be disapointed, maybe not; either way the issue is big enough to require your strenght and determination.

Warm regards.

“Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food”
Hippocrates 460 – 359 BC

johnes - July 3, 2013

After enduring a nasty mobbing and a perpetual gangstalking from some nasty nasty healthcare folks? And seeing how self righteous/snooty/abusive/cliqquey doctors,nurses,medical folks? I am willing to believe dr rima laibow. I dont think the medical community is for the patient/and about caring for the sick. They just care about getting loads of money and inflated egos and thir own elite groups. Peons mea NOTHING TO THEM. Honestly the human race survived before all this crap of vitamins/drugs/”helth”.

Dave Paul Allen - December 27, 2013

well said

6. Michael Korn - November 6, 2008

you write:

I don’t doubt CODEX is a threat to health freedom, but making these kinds of statements just gives the orthodoxy ammunition to say the alternative health movement is all quackery and doesn’t know what it’s talking about

so why are you picking fights with the crusaders (called friendly fire)?

conserve your ammunition and choose your targets well….

7. angryscientist - November 6, 2008

Crusaders, huh? You ask why I’m picking a fight? Did you read this thread? Why was Laurie Jessop’s demand that these crusaders stop using her in that fund-raising appeal ignored? Why didn’t I get a real answer to my questions? Sincere people don’t dodge sincere questions with legal gobblydegook. What’s the point of making outlandish claims that can’t be backed up? I expect that from politicians, not scientists worth their salt. I asked for a source, only to be insulted with ridiculous evasions and insinuations. I’m supposed to believe these people are fighting for my rights? I smell Trojan horse.

8. John Best - November 12, 2008

I asked Dr Laibow how she knew that the flumist had been weaponized. She wouldn’t answer me.
I tried to post a simple message on one of her Yahoo groups urging people to vote against Democrats and Republicans, something you’d think she’d favor being so anti-government. I don’t think one message that might change the votes of one or two people was any threat to either Obama or McCain but Dr Laibow was adamant in refusing to allow me to voice my opinion.
That doesn’t make much sense for someone who claims to be against our government. You’d think she’d humor the people she’s trying to take money from by letting us voice our opinions about corrupt politicians.

9. Shelley - November 19, 2008

Thank you so much for your blog, I just listened to Dr. Laibow’s warning of H5N1 being in the flu vaccine/spray and was about to forward it to everyone I know!! I’m so relieved that I didn’t ignorantly do that, how embarrassing it would have been if it turns out that the facts there are embellished too.
Her undocumented claims in her CODEX presentation are of great concern indeed. The claims were stated as documented fact. Her notes were carefully prepared. It was not a mistake. If, say, while preparing her speech she got riled up and exaggerated a bit, upon review of her notes she would have spotted her error, and removed it (or clarified it as being her prediction/belief). She would be well aware that ‘someone’ would pick this up and run with it, damaging her/the movements credibility. It does look like this was done intentionally. It really does.

10. Dave - December 22, 2008

Interesting development. I found your site by googling Rima Laibow.

http://www.rense.com/general84/edvv.htm

11. LoJo - December 22, 2008

Thanks for your excellent journalism. I have been wondering about this group for quite some time. It seems that they are really disconnected from any other sources of information or groups with similar concerns.

12. James D. - December 24, 2008

GREAT stuff. Thank you SO much for your work in questioning these people! Today, the NSF sent out another letter attacking EVERYONE who has ever said anything legitimate about Codex.

It’s all THEIR fault, if you listen to these whiners. They travel the world on other people’s money, supposedly doing this “out of the kindness of the hearts.” Right. What they did to Laurie Jessop is unforgivable. They tried unsuccessfully to take over the UFO movement in the 1990s…then set their sights on doing so within health freedom movement.

And angry scientists, I couldn’t agree more with your statement, “The medical orthodoxy is eager to exploit any weak link in the chain to cast doubt on the credibility of the alternative health movement. Is Dr. Laibow deliberately making that easier? If not, what’s her game?” And another question: why is Null featuring both of these people in his videos? What is HE smoking?

13. angryscientist - December 24, 2008

I know Gary Null sometimes puts people in his documentaries he doesn’t agree with, but Null can be fooled. One of his employees stole a lot of money a few years ago. Nobody is a perfect judge of character. I think Laibow and her lawyer have fooled a lot of people, and Null may be among them. However, if anybody has hard evidence of their dishonesty, I think Null would be interested in seeing it.

14. Ingrid Blank - December 25, 2008

One would assume that a scientist would adhere to the golden rule to substantiate each and every allegation made instead of joining in unsubstantiated vilification exercises instigated against Dr. Rima Laibow by individuals pursuing their own agenda, who – by their own admission – had been diagnosed with mental disorders in the past. It is also a well known fact that a person’s morals and ethics are usually judged by the company you keep and John Best’s blatant lies spewed out on your blog don’t exactly instil confidence in the credibility of any statements made. Permit me to set the record straight. John Best is a member of the no-forced-vaccination forum hosted by the Natural Solutions Foundation and did not take very kindly to the fact that I, in my capacity as moderator of this group, rejected one of his posts, which was by no means a “simple message” as he wants you to believe but a call for “overthrowing the US government”, which a) was in violation of the list rules and b) wouldn’t bode very well in our current political climate. In response to his rude complaint, I sent him the following message:
“Before making a complete ass of yourself, I strongly suggest to improve your cognitive skills! One would assume that an adult would have outgrown by now childish petulance and narcissistic temper tantrums when immediate gratification is not forthcoming. I have received several complaints from other group members about your – I quote – “arrogant, childish, pathetic, brazen and uncouth verbal conduct” and would therefore appreciate it if you would refrain from causing further discord among the group members. I usually advise those suffering from overinflated egos to read the story of Humpty Dumpty again and to remember what happened to that chap in the end”. You see, John doesn’t like taking orders from women per se and his mental development in this respect seems to be somewhat stuck at the bottom of the evolution ladder, since – in his opinion – women have to be submissive to any moronic specimen endowed with a penis and should be “horsewhipped” if they disagree with him.
His vile and abusive statements have been amply documented on the Internet, including his ludicrous assumption that Abraham Lincoln was most probably gay caused by mercury. John also believes that engaging in fist fights with his 8 year old autistic son is “good parenting” and will prevent the child from becoming a “pussy”. for further particulars on this sociopath who lives under the misconception that he is God’s gift to the world, please refer to
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=360
http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot.com/2006/03/john-bests-greatest-hits.html
and
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2007/10/beyond-appallin.html
Monday, October 15, 2007
Beyond Appalling and Disgusting: The Thug John Best, jr
Update: Best’s behavior constitutes cyberbullying.

I have an internet friend I’ve never met in real life, Kevin Leitch. I know he is a real person, through a number of sources. Until this weekend, he wrote the excellent blog Left Brain / Right Brain. He is closing it because a moral midget named John Best is harassing his daughter, who has autism.

The reason LB/RB is shutting is because I cannot continue to allow my beautiful eldest girl to be exposed to the hatred and bullying she is recieving from John Best. John has seen fit to compare my beautiful child to a trained monkey because he didn’t like the fact she was progressing. He has made numerous jokes at her expense on that theme. He has assumed her identity online. He has encouraged others to do the same.

John Best also appears as “Fore Sam” in blog comments.

I will miss Kev’s commentary and especially his wonderful videos of his daughter.

More expressions of regret from:

Kristina Chew
Skeptico
Estee Klar-Wolfond
Joseph of Natural Variations
Orac of Respectful Insolence
The Bronze Blog
The Voyage
Living Healthy Centre (UK)
One Dad’s Opinion
Odd Time Signatures (Karoli’s even more irate than I am)
Club 166’s tribute to Kev
If you’d like to see a sample of what passes for Best’s thinking, Joseph of Natural Variations compiled a list of “John Best’s Greatest Hits”, back in March 2006.

15. angryscientist - December 27, 2008

Ingrid, I can’t be checking out every claim made on my blog, or censoring what I don’t believe, for that matter. I’ll defend my own statements, nobody else’s. You’re welcome to correct the record. This is a blog, not a court. It’s a forum for whoever wants to comment, besides what I want to say. I didn’t agree with much at that link at Rense either, but I’m not familiar enough with its subject matter to comment further. Do you have anything to say about my experience trying to get a source for what I still consider exaggerations about CODEX?

16. George H - December 28, 2008

Not that I support all of Dr Laibow’s seemingly radical claims I can niether discredit her efforts . (Check out Ian Crane UK)
Recently in my Country of Canada our Federal Government is trying to pass Parlimenatary Law : Bill C51 and the amended Bill C52 which will put 80% of natural health products under the umbrella of pharmaceuticals. If pass, the ability for the consumer to aquire those controlled health products will become far more difficult…I remain unsure if this recent attempt by my government is related to their acceptance of the Codex standards but thought I would offer this as just some food for thought…and with the application of common sense it seems to me that “we the people” should have the inaleinable right to freely choose good nurtious food for our sustainance.

May - October 14, 2011

(Check out Ian Crane UK)
Another one making a fortune in donations through Edge Media in UK. I have that from a very very relaible source.

17. Moi - January 6, 2009

The very fact that Albert Stubblebine is connected to Michael Aquino is extremely dubious. I’ve seen enough to convince me these two are shills. However, people who deal in mind control are often victims of it themselves.

18. John Hammell - January 15, 2009

As the first person in the world to ever call attention to the Codex International threat to health freedom (via an article in Life Extension Magazine in 1996) I speak with authority when I say that the (so called) Natural Solutions Foundation is not trusted, or respected by any LEGITIMATE health freedom organization in the world including IAHF, NHF, ANH, AAHF, Mayday, La Leva di Archimede, Health Freedom Australia, The New Zealand Health Trust,The Dr.Rath Health Foundation, Well TV and others.

NSF is a controlled opposition group that is misdirecting the grass roots on the Codex issue. They would have people believe you can stop Codex AT Codex. You cannot! We have no influence over unelected bureaucrats from the world’s FDAs at UN Codex meetings and never will. Everything that occurrs at those meetings is decided before the meeting even takes place.

The only chance we have of stopping Codex (and the thing NSF never talks about) is by stopping regional harmonization through which the USA is being dismantled and forced into a North American Union Dictatorship modelled after the EU, which is a Dictatorship.

If NSF were for real, they’d be urging the grass roots to push for Congressional oversight on FDA’s Trilateral Cooperation Charter with Canada and Mexico via which FDA is harmonizing the food and drug regs of all 3 countries as if a North American Union were already in existence. See http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3113337.htm

For additional information see SPIN of NSF/CFH Exposed:http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm

See: A Modern Major General Exposed? by Paul Taylor of the Dr.Rath Health Foundation http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

19. Rebecca Carley, MD - January 15, 2009

If any of you want to learn the truth behind the Natural Solutions Foundation, I strongly suggest you listen to my shows “What’s Ailing America?” on 12/13/08 and 12/27/08 with Dr True Ott & John Hammell at http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/index.php?cmd=archives.month&ProgramID=36&year=8&month=12&backURL=index.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives.getyear%2526ProgramID%253D36%26year%3D8%26backURL%3Dindex.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives
. On the 12/27 show, an ex-FDA official called in to speak of how Laibow TOLD him at a Codex meeting that she is FOR Codex. He has written an affidavit, which will be posted on my website http://www.drcarley.com soon, along with Dr Ott’s charges that they are committing fraud.

As for Laibow “building a network of natural physicians”…who are they? Those physicians (including me) are losing their licenses for healing people, and this false front organization does nothing to help or even get the word out about this! In fact, their attorney, Ralph Fucetola, was retained by me to be my legal advisor when the NYS medical board charged me with having a “delusion of conspiracy” over a public access TV show I did. They refused to allow him to be in the room with me for the hearing, and rather than file an immediate appeal on that issue (how can an allegedly “mentally challenged” person not be allowed to have legal help?), he got in his car and drove back to NJ.

John Hammell is the one who has truly been fighting Codex; these psyops minions were brought in to make sure he didn’t succeed. They are also in the “hall of shame” on my site as being disinformers in the “mercury causes autism” scam. They are distracting and confusing people, and making a pretty penny while doing so. The disinformers must be exposed, as they are the ENEMY of health freedom!

In Service to the TRUTH,
Rebecca Carley, MD
Court Qualified Expert in Vaccine Induced Diseases

20. Michael - January 24, 2009

To Angry Scientist: I have to ask what is your credentials to bash HealthfreedomUSA.org???

Did you go to the Codex website and take a look at the over 200 persistant organic pollutants that Codex plans to place in our foods, drinks, supplements???

I went online and took a very good look at them. These persistant organic pollutnats known as (pops) cause all kinds of Cancer, Luekemia, Sickle Cell Anemia, Neurodegenerative, NeuroMuscular diseases and more in Humans, Animals and Marine Life.

Even Codex Alimentarius knows this so to make sure we are safe they indeed use Toxicology or Risk Assessment. They gladly use the L/D 50 approach where they know what will kill 50% of all animals!

They then divide by 100 and claim they have discovered the upper permissable safety margin where we will not drop dead!

They do not tell us the upperpermissable safety margin accumulates to the buildup of deadly toxins! The buildup of these deadly toxins creates Cancer, Luekemia, Sickle Cell Anemia, Neurodegenerative and NeuroMuscular illnesses!

Codex knows that irradiation X-rays of foods, drinks, supplements will destroy vitamins, minerals, nutrients in foods, drinks, supplements!

Codex also knows that irradiation of soil, liqiud manure will destroy all vitamins, minerals and nutrients in all soil and liquid manure.

Codex knows that Microwaves discovered by Nikola Tesla and then the intervention of the Nazi’s with what we call the Microwave oven also destroys all vitamins, minerals and nutrients in all foods, drinks, supplements???

Did you know that chemicals, drugs, growthhormones create illness in every animal and marine life they are placed in and then when they are ill before they are allowed to slaughtered they receive antibiotics which create candida albicans which is yeast.

Did you know that if human and animal bodies are overwhelmed with yeast they clog vital organs in animal and human bodies???

Did you know that when the colon and liver are clogged with yeast the Hypothalamus gland shuts down and diseases such as obesity, acid reflux, allergies, asthma, diabetes type 2 and more occurs???

Did you know that honeybees are dissappearing all over the world where GMO plants and crops are grown???

Did you know that GMO plants and crops are deadly poison to young honeybees???

Did you know that GMO and GE plants and crops are not the foods mankind has had access to since human beings have come into existence.

Did you know that a Company called Roche Labratories developed a vaccine called Tami Flu in the early 90’s to be used against the Avian Bird Flu scheduled to hit the entire world in the year 2010???

Did you know that a Company with the initials (GDS) bought the patent for Tami Flu in the year 1996???

Did you know that while they have a version of Tami Flu on the market they are stockpiling their true strength version of Tami Flu for the entire world when the Manmade Avian Bird Flu is announced and the world is informed the only way to survive is Tami Flu???

Did you know the experts that will be brought in to enlighten us on their version of the Avian Bird Flu will be the UN’s WTO, FAO and Codex Alimentarius???

Did you think that Dr. Rima Laibow was lying when she said Codex Alimentarius will enter almost every country in the World Dec. 31, 2009???

If you really are an Angry Scientist then it will be very easy for you to verify if I have lied to you or told you the truth???

I believe that Codex Alimentarius is a direct threath to every human being on the planet except for those that are in on what is going to happen.

If you believe I do not know what I am talking about what are you going to say when Codex Alimentarius enters almost every country in the world at the end of this year? What are you going to say when vitamins, minerals and nutrients are declared illegal by UN law?
What are you going to say when Codex declares the world is now under the attack of the Avian Bird Flu?

If you are the angry scientist you say you are you need to redirect your anger to the UN, WTO, WHO, FAO, Codex Alimentarius, Big Pharma, Big Bio-Techna, Big Chema, Big Agra-Biz and their Ph.D’s

P.S. In defense of Big Medica I believe those doctors and medical personal are innocent and only practicing what they were taught in Medical School. The Info. they are taught according to my understanding is produced by Big Pharma!!!!

Please send me your responce

21. angryscientist - January 26, 2009

Yeah, I knew most of that, though what with all your spelling and grammatical errors, it’s hard to decipher some of it, and I think some of it is oversimplified or inaccurate. Regardless, what does any of that have to do with Dr. Laibow’s exaggerations? If you think I’m defending or downplaying CODEX, you completely missed the point.

Red - January 1, 2010

Attacking someone’s spelling and grammar is ad hominem. You can state your point without attacking in that fashion. Perhaps someone did miss your point. It’s easy to, sometimes, when reading a lengthy blog to focus on what’s important to us in the content and miss other points that are made.

I think it’s possible for you to redirect your readers’ attention to your purposes without bullying.

22. lifeisagony - February 17, 2009

Hi I live in Norway, where codex is implimented, and it is true, they won’t let us have cereal, for instance, with vitamins. Nothing is vitamin fortified. You do need a prescription for things you could get over the counter in the USA. I have only been here for a few months. There is no squash or spinage or herbs in the stores such as fresh basil or parsley, though you can buy spices. There are few stores which sell vitamins. Alot of the multivitamins, dont have b vitamins. But you can get some, however the average uneducated consumer could start to get b vitamin deficient. we have mivitotal which cost about 40 dollars a bottle.

Shes a crazy hippy who runs a bussiness (poorly maybe in the pr sense), but its a bussiness that affects us also and what she says, im sorry to inform you is closer to the truth than not.

23. PAYDAY MONSANTO - February 22, 2009

This (Laibow) really does seem like classic co-intelpro and disinformation. Her husband is a psy-ops specialist and linked to Aquino (who is a REAL LUNATIC!).

Make all these wild claims–after you’ve made yourself the unofficial ‘spokesperson’ for the ANTI-CODEX movement– and bring the whole movement down with you.

Panicearly - May 25, 2012

Bingo. This is the work of a gatekeeper.

24. Okiya Librarian - March 3, 2009

Just My Two Cents

I think that these people, [I say this after signing up for their newsletters] have their hair on fire about the right things, at the right times, but I do not think that people should invest themselves wholeheartedly in her organization just yet.

My first problem was with “the general” he’s her husband, when she was on alex jones she kept calling her husband “general” alex seemed uncomfy but in that southern way he didnt go “wtf” though you could tell he was thinking it, nobody can deny she has serious info though, then some of the names of some people they are associated with “valley of the moon” for instance, having had an informal mystery school run through- im seeing red flags everywhere with that.

I think EVERYTHING she is talking about is probably true or worse, and she is at the ground floor of what could turn into a massive movement once this thing hits the states. Thats my worry, since she is a little like everybody’s Aunt Loopy.

That does not mean i didnt sign up for their newsletter and stuff. If she is Legit, we are in trouble, if she is not legit we are in more trouble, because it means that they are anticipating our anger and giving us a leader so they can force this on us while we think we are fighting “globally”, but i dont think she is exaggerating, evil people are spiking babymilk. If she is legit she will weather the storm, i still appreciate the work she did because before seeing her video i didn’t know what codex was

The best thing for people to do is bring attention to codex and even show them her film, it very apparent that she is emotional and could probably have said some things that she should not have said but we all know enough to see that this CODEX thing could very well be a silent killer. We need more research on it, and more people need to do films, which i think may be in the works now.

Thanks for your work, i found this because im queazy about them too

Nappy Geisha

25. Lindsey O'Connor - March 10, 2009

So many of the anti-Codex activists are busily engaged in promoting disinformation. Such as the oft-repeated claim that Codex is a weapon to be used by shadowy world leaders to kill off perhaps 93% of the world’s population through starvation and malnutrition, that FDA-approved levels of food irradiation destroy all vitamins in all foods, and the like.

I find it exceptionally strange that Dr. Laibow’s Foundation has not one nutritionist on the board (only herself – a retired psychiatrist, her husband – a retired military officer, and a lawyer.) I also find it strange that she and her husband are on the Board of Directors of Canadian Submarine Technologies. That has always seemed such an odd pairing of directorships.

Dr. Laibow and her cohorts are not providing science-based information backed up by credible evidence – they are utilizing scare tactics.

26. Lindsey O'Connor - March 10, 2009

For anyone wishing to see more information about how these pseudo-scientists promote their ideas, check out the exchange with one author of an anti-Codex article published in Natural News, and witness the ridiculous lengths to which some will go to avoid answering simple and logical questions as to the scientific validity of their arguments and to avoid admitting that their “facts” are not supported by the scientific literature.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/733929969/880464

27. angryscientist - March 11, 2009

You have an agenda of your own, Lindsey. I wouldn’t trust Dr. Laibow, not after my interaction with her organization, but your faith in conventional wisdom sets off all kinds of alarm bells in my head. For example, I quote you from the above link you supplied:

And your claim that irradiation, as used to make food safer, destroys ALL of the vitamins and minerals is also false. I quote a researcher at Auburn University in Alabama: “The contention that irradiation impacts the nutritional value of foods is based on data from studies that were conducted 50 or 60 years ago,” Weese said. “Our research indicates that even at the highest levels allowed by the Food and Drug Administration, irradiation has no more impact on nutritional value than heat pasteurization or freezing or grilling or frying or any other method of processing.” All legitimate research debunks the cancer link as well, Weese said.”

This researcher you quote so confidently is full of it. It’s true enough irradiation won’t destroy minerals; those are elemental metals that could only be destroyed by radiation intense enough to transmute them into other elements. However, vitamins, proteins, and other constituents determining nutritional value are greatly compromised by irradiation. Ever heard of radiolytic products?

Scientists for hire are so fond of claiming all legitimate research is on their side. That’s how reckless science has created an endless parade of disasters, while the scientific literature these thoroughly corrupted scientists and regulators recognize as legitimate never sees the writing on the wall, until finally the disaster is so palpably undeniable, the literature not recognized as legitimate that did predict problems suddenly becomes respectable. Most scientific literature conventional wisdom recognizes as legitimate claims genetically modified crops are, for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from crops with intact DNA, and that there is no difference in nutritional value between organic and conventionally grown crops. Those are supposedly facts supported by all the legitimate scientific literature, but they are merely self-serving propaganda, as mythical as clean, safe nuclear energy too cheap to meter, or clean coal.

28. Justin Boland - March 12, 2009

Laibow’s actions and personal history make it clear she is not to be trusted.

How come Rima and Albert stopped talking about UFOs? Simple question.

29. Kili - March 16, 2009

I am ever grateful to you, Angry scientist, for hosting this debate, -while at first I have to admit I was a bit annoyed at seeing the question of a health issue being turned into a partisan trench-war.- Who care about names really?
All I want is good food. I want scientists not to accept GMO’s based on a political agenda for instance; or not to bring about POPs for matters of capitalism… I expect decision makers not to confuse the relevant reference point of a given topic against that of “choosing sides” or “personal agendas”.

The true Ethic of science really is what I am calling for; regardless of who gets the credit. True detachment from honorable people doing the right thing at the right place and time.

Science is great really, but life is just greater…
Science is about analysis, but all that we dissect..is dead ..let’s not forget that (adapt. Anthony De Mello) . I believe that unless scientist bow to life itself they haven’t really understood their own art; its potential and its limitation.
speaking for me, I ain’t go much right through my left brain. (Isn’t the left brain only 50% of the mental kingdom… makes me related to the post above with the example of this given men denying the power of woman…against the obvious that most sane minds observe).

These times are about healing.
Going through this beautiful space intended to hold a critical debate over the claims of Dr. Laibow; I see much light piercing through the bullshit, piercing through the use of words and the intended-opacity of legislative documents. I see warriors rising.

Again, I would like to mention I have met both Dr. Rima and her Husband.. and I would like to mention that I have heard him say the following regarding his military career, and maybe what we could see as his turning his back to it.
“I used to believe what I was told, now I look at facts”$
We all have space for a fresh future.

The beautifull people voicing their opinion on this blog are just that beautiful people! and the theme set by Angry scientist, that of uprooting the bullshit, will prevail.

So too, will life prevails even though the codex, the bird flue and those god-knows-what. Life I say, is that which finds its way. As scientist we are merely observers of the backlog and as yogis; waves-surfers. In both case, the sea not the fish is of higher hierarchy, what we can do, if we so choose, is to harmonize (with lower case of the first 4 letters) our dancing together.

Thank you. with love to you, and love for the simple things.
simple like a salad from our own garden that we can eat, for instance.

“Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food”
Hippocrates 460 – 359 BC

30. Terry Conspiracy - March 21, 2009

Dr. Laibow also put out a warning H5N1is being mixed with H3N2 vaccine. That has come to pass (Helen Branswell Canadian Press Feb. 27/09).

We all have to do our own research & decide for ourselves.

The fact is that the MSM (Main Stream Media) is not doing a very good job of objectivly informing the public.

Thank your God for the blessings of the internet !

31. John McDonell - April 27, 2009

Hi der,
It is strange how ‘certain’ science is of itself, especially bio-sciences!! I feel your anger, but it is misplaced. Misplaced because the whole image of science as being almost fully understood/comprehensive enough to warrant a semblance of ‘truth’ is questionable.
Over the yeas, I have floated some odd ideas to Rima. She was quite receptive to them and did not shy away knowing that she and I (and most others) share a profound ignorance of these sciences. I very much appreciate such intellectual candor.

Here is one of them: Watson (of Crick/Watson) wrote a little bit about the prototype for ALL biological reactions. A + B >>>> X + Y.
Watson went further to elucidate that biological reactions are catalyzed by 1) enzymes and 2) co-factors AND 3) ENERGY. Because we falsely assume that energy means only heat, we too often tend to ignore this reality. Energy is heat, light, sound, ell kinds of electricity, magnetic, gravitation, shape …. etc, etc. One of the most repeatable displays of energy variance is the seasons. I would then assume that (if this were taken seriously) that not only would good diet strategies reflect season changes, but that All biological experiments account o this variation. ‘Outlandish’ this seems until one reads a book like “Lights Out” T.S. Wiley: where mice (bred to develop cancer) remained totally cancer-free ), even if assaulted with cancer-causing agents. [If they got sufficient (seasonal) sleep.}

{{ Can’t you just hear the screams from both the purveyors of poor/insufficient science as represented by Codex or Life Extension?}}

Maybe instead of getting ‘angry’ it may be better to become ‘the humble-scientist’?

32. angryscientist - April 28, 2009

Nope, I don’t think my anger is misplaced at all. I’ve got plenty to be angry about, partly because of the arrogance of too many scientists for hire who think they know what they’re doing, monkeying with DNA, nuclear power, and other means of destroying natural balance. I also don’t like being treated like a fool, as I have been by Dr. Laibow’s surrogates, none of whom displayed the slightest bit of intellectual candor with me. Maybe that’s because I represent some kind of threat to her, whereas you seem to be in her good graces.

By the way, whoever assumed energy only means heat? That’s news to me. If I recall correctly, kinetic and potential energy have been part of scientific theories at least since Newton. Maybe you’re referring to the heat energy released or consumed by exothermic or endothermic chemical reactions.

I’m skeptical that sufficient sleep is by itself able to ward off cancer, though there are ways to counter things that would ordinarily cause cancer. Also, if one eats locally produced food, the diet would have to vary by season. This is not some kind of novel or outlandish idea. Seasonal affective disorder is another example.

BR - June 17, 2011

If you consider yourself to be a scientist then I suggest you do your own studies and stop expecting everyone else to give you the answers which you just debate anyway. Spend more time doing and less time blaming.

not angry/not a scientist

33. Jason Anthony - May 8, 2009

Having been a follower of alternative news for the last 10 years or so I find this article extremely interesting. There is for sure (in my opinion) a rat-bastard-cointelpro operative working here. I first heard about something called Codex Alimentarius on the Alex Jones Show KLBJ Austin, TX about this time last year.

I, as well as millions of other listeners heard Dr. Laibow talk about it for the very first time. Her information nexuses very well with his information and many of his well-informed & well-trained guests.

I have to say that I find it very hard to believe that the Illuminati purposefully got her involved to bring the issue “out into the light”. The simple reasoning of course is that; everything else they’ve done has been done “in the dark”, in secrecy, in near absolute to-the-death types of secrecy. The modus operandi doesn’t fit their pattern of actions.

I agree and acknowledge that these Bilderberg globalists have many “mockingbird” operations going on, even all around the world. But they are almost exclusively working to destroy those who are telling the truth. Plus, Dr. Laibow and her husband now live in Panama according to her and I remember her soliciting for funds to help their operation – – which puts them in no position whatsoever to “take over” any health movement.

Therefore, what I fail to understand is why all of you NSF opposers are so concerned with memorializing your differences.. Why aren’t you working together to attack this coordinated effort to monopolize the world food-farming industry.

This is simply supposed to be an article that takes issue with how NSF has presented the issue, right AngryScientist?? This has nothing to do with muddying the waters of resistance right? And you do whole heartedly, as you’ve stated previously, DO know about Codex and it’s genocidal aspirations??

Ok, good. And yet nearly each person here has engaged in exactly the same kind of chicanery as you claim that NSF has. There are ad hominem attacks, misspelling and misquoting going on all over this post. Google ad hominem, it’s the lowest form of debating or arguing someone.

At the end of the day, Rima & her husband have opened my eyes to the larger macroscopic picture at hand here. And once again, I just can’t believe that the Illuminati WANTED to tell me about their murderous Codex plan via the largest alternative radio show on the planet…

HOWEVER, I would be very willing to take an hour or two out of my busy day to listen to you as a guest on the Alex Jones program. In case you’ve never heard, he is infamous for breaking huge news, especially of the whistleblower type long before the MSM will start reporting.

If you have rock-solid evidence of her and/or her husband being cointelpros’ on this subject that is huge news that many people will want to here.

Please then, I beg you to call his producers and get scheduled to be on, I will definitely listen. Email Aaron Dykes at aaron@infowars.com and if that doesn’t work I can help set you up as well.

My email is oceanswestbc@hotmail.com

34. angryscientist - May 8, 2009

I don’t have rock-solid evidence of anything, just a lot of suspicions and no answers. The slippery way she dealt with me raised more suspicions. If she’s on the level, why treat me like a ignoramus or someone who trusts the government? I’d be on her side if I could believe what she’s saying. Some of it, I’m sure is accurate. Otherwise, I have no idea why she’s saying things that are clearly exaggerated, extrapolated, or outright bogus. It sounds too much to me like the tactics of an agent provocateur. You know, mix up the truth with some dubious assertions, and anyone on the other side can use the latter to dismiss everything as bunk.

As for the other commenters, I’ll say again, I’m not responsible for or defending what anyone else says. Neither do I want to censor anyone, regardless of how strongly I might disagree with them, though some commenters crossed the line, so I did censor a few comments.

35. unnecessary - May 17, 2009

thank you for using your anger in a focused productive way. Thank you for using Occam’s razor to cut away BS (belief Systems) and ask the question again when it doesn’t get answered.

Sorry other bloggers are so confused about the science, but it appears as if you’re trying your best to find the strongest facts that can be used to combat Codex, trying to lead Rima toward strengthening her argument sourcing or refining it to what CAN be sourced. There is no better help – no better friend to ‘her’ cause.

Only our best friends call out our BS – so thanks again.

36. unnecessary - May 17, 2009

one more thing: It appears from your ref’s and your logic that you are high-functioning in a way that requires you to simplify your analysis for blog consensus reality, but at this point we could all benefit from see you think as deep and wide as possible. I think you’d find your LOVE of science and truth sufficient to inspire us to keep reading even when it pushes us to grow our database a little.

After all, this thread, this site, this Web, is either about us growing our personal database or it’s just amusing us to death…

37. Shower_Of_B-tards - July 2, 2009

I personally don’t know where Dr. Rima Laibow is getting these facts from and maybe it does seem like she’s exaggerating, but I think that, even if she is unable to back up her statements with some evidence, it doesn’t take a genius to work out that Codex will indeed lead to the death of about half the world’s population. If you think about it logically it makes sense and isn’t really far-fetched at all. I am one of the many people who rely on dietary supplements to maintain health. I have had serious health problems in the past and can’t see myself living much longer if I can’t continue to take natural medication, and I know loads of people in the same position. I can’t believe people are naive enough to believe that the impact of Codex won’t be just as great, if not greater, than what Dr. Laibow claims. If you really knew what GM foods, artificial sweeteners and additives did to you, you would understand that this is not an exaggeration. In case you don’t all know this already, prescription drugs are the second biggest killer in the world. Isn’t it obvious what will happen when people have to rely on antibiotics and painkillers to stay alive? It really surprises me that people are so shocked by Dr. Laibow’s statistics and claim that some of her statements are “outrageous”. To me it seems very logical and I guessed this would happen before even watching her report. Another thing, angryscientist, is that you at some point claim that the European Union won’t stand for Codex. It’s clear that you don’t know anything about the EU then. I live in Europe, study European politics and economics and dedicate myself to investigating the validity of conspiracy theories and, although I’m not exactly a qualified expert, I know more about the matter than most people and I think I can say, without exaggerating in the slightest, that the EU is the most evil dictatorship in Europe since Nazi Germany. Anyone who thinks that anything the EU does is for the good of the people rather than just for economic and power-driven reasons is seriously deluded. The EU just screams evil dictatorship really, with all the features: Napoleonic law (whereby something is illegal unless explicitly permitted), extreme censorship of the media, racism, xenophobia and religious intolerance, complete loss of human rights and the freedom to express beliefs (illustrated by the impending introduction of mandatory vaccinations) etc. Really the only thing that was missing was large-scale genocide, and now that Codex is being introduced they’ve got that one covered too. The EU has already agreed to enforce Codex so do’t fool yourselves about that. It WILL happen. In conclusion, I honestly don’t think it matters much where Dr. Laibow got this information from, because if you are intelligent enough and politically aware, you really should be able to work out that at least half the world’s population will die as a result of Codex

38. angryscientist - July 2, 2009

What I said about the EU was,

Dr. Laibow stated, “Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone.” Our FDA doesn’t govern every dairy cow on the planet. You know as well as I the European Union would never go along with that.

Do you expect the EU to rescind its ban of rBST, which more and more dairy companies are deciding to dump, because of consumer resistance? I’m not disputing that CODEX will be deleterious to public health. I take a bunch of supplements myself which might get banned. You think I miss the point. I think you missed my point, which is that making clearly exaggerated claims doesn’t help the cause. On the contrary, it just gives ammunition to the authorities to poison the well, allowing them to point out this prominent opponent of CODEX as someone who deserves no credibility.

I think there are bigger threats to public health than CODEX, so if half the world population dies, it probably won’t be directly attributable to CODEX. CODEX will, however, make it much harder for people to protect their health from the increasing toxic burdens.

39. Codex Alimentarius: die globale Monopolisierung der Grundnahrungsmittel | doppeldenk - July 5, 2009

[...] Einige werden das Video von Rima Laibow bereits gesehen haben (Nutricide — Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs), in welchem sie mit recht polemischer Panikmache vor dem Codex warnt. Einige ihrer Aussagen sind tatsächlich korrekt und auch auf der offiziellen Codex seite nachzulesen, jedoch die meisten und schwerwiegendsten ihrer Aussagen sind undokumentierte Behauptungen, zu welchen sie selbst jegliche Quellen-Auskunft verweigert. (Angry Scientist hat diese Erfahrung gemacht). [...]

40. Selling nutrition? Will Codex Alimentarius shut you down 2010? - Page 5 - July 7, 2009

[...] to what is being said. I have and looked into this. Read what this guy says about Rima Laibow: Is Dr. Rima Laibow Exaggerating About CODEX? Angry Scientist [...]

41. Stanley - July 7, 2009

AngryScientist, reading your posts and your comments following, it seems to me you’re more upset about being “treated like an ignoramus” (or whatever phrase you used) than anything else…

I have known MANY scientists in my life and have YET to meet a single one who doesn’t have a huge ego that bruises easily…and it seems your is bruised quite a bit ;) It’s o.k. – you can admit it.

I agree that you were given the brush-off in the replies you received though. But let the bruise heal now. Stress kills.

42. angryscientist - July 7, 2009

I was actually quite a bit more disturbed by the lack of scientific integrity the brush-off implies than the personal insult. Since nobody at that organization appears to have the slightest knowledge of who I am or why I was inquiring, I wasn’t inclined to take the insults personally. They just added fuel to my suspicions. If Dr. Laibow is on the level, why this attitude toward a legitimate request for documentation? I don’t get it. The evasiveness certainly didn’t help her credibility.

43. Onyx Rose - July 8, 2009

Ok, where to begin….

I too found this thread by Googling Rima Laibow looking while looking for a certain video of hers that I had seen previously and wanted to watch again.

As to the comments about scare tactics well I will honestly say that if the goal is to scare the hell out of us…..well kudo’s to NSF because it certainly worked on me.

I am a mom to a very special young man who by the way is classified as high functioning Autistic aka Aspergers Syndrome, I am not sure what relevance that particular fact has to my point at the moment as my head is swimming with all that I have just read, so please bear with me.

I hold no college degree although I am no intellectual slouch either, I do my best to decipher the truth from the information that is offered, and mainstream media is certainly little help when what you want is the truth.

I offer these thoughts in response to all of the various points of view on this thread.

Thank you Angry Scientist for beginning this discussion you have given me food for thought and calmed my terror somewhat, thanks as well to all the rest for broadening my frame of reference as well.

Are Dr. Laibow and her husband “on the level”….I cannot pretend to know the answer to that question.

Is she exaggerating her claims about Codex….I cannot pretend to know the answer to that either.

I am very much on the pro side for natural solutions to fight disease and illness etc, I cook for myself and my family as much as possible from scratch because I am well aware of the preservatives (poisons) that abound in pre-packaged food. I do not have the resources to grow and preserve my own food thus why I state *as much as possible*.

I have studied aromatherapy for almost 10 years now and recently branched out to study herbal medicine, I am entirely self taught and do not claim to be an expert in any fashion on anything but do have my opinions, on that note the problem I see in my own life is this…while I unequivocally prefer the natural alternative to a given situation the fact is that in many cases “natural” is cost prohibitive to the average consumer, I do realize that this is more than likely due to the power of the pharmaceutical companies and the money they are able to put out to lobby our law makers.

THAT in my mind is the problem or at least more so than Codex itself, I see Codex as the tool to bring about the designs of the power elite, in other words the head of the serpent would be the laws or the lack of that allow big business to exert so much power on the forming of our laws, find a way to cut the head off of the serpent and you have a large part of the battle won.

I find it both very frightening and tremendously amusing that the power elite of the world account for (and this is only just a guess) probably considerably less than 5 percent of the total population of the planet but yet they own the biggest companies and are capable of engineering the life and circumstances of the other 95-98% of the world, introducing the principles of Eugenics or at the very least jumping on board the Eugenics train.

The even more amusing thing in my mind is what happens when/if they succeed in reducing the population of the world by 90% will there be enough of us “little people” left to do the mundane chores…growing the food that they will eat, maintaining their means of transportation for them, cleaning their homes, tending their gardens, scrubbing their toilets etc, because you can bet they will not be willing to do such things themselves.

Reading back over what I have written I see that I have gotten off on somewhat of a tangent so will try to reign it back in and boil it down to my main point(s).

Could it be seen as a problem that Rima Laibow has made claims that she cannot back up? Maybe

Does it undermine her credibility and the credibility of the movement she claims to so passionately support? Probably

Are those the points that we the people of the US should be focusing our attention on, I do not think so, I think that the answers to those questions should be the lesser worry, remove the power from the lobbyist’s and you eliminate at least to a degree the vehicle that the globalist’s need to bring their agenda to fruition by eliminating the ability of using their companies via the political lobbyist establishment to push their agenda forward.

Time is growing short, Alex Jones states in his End Game documentary that the NWO will be fully entrenched by 2020, less than eleven years away. Not a lot of time to find real answers and real solutions to stop this nightmare from becoming reality!

Peace and Blessings,
Onyx Rose

44. Asiynth - July 10, 2009

Look guys, codex is coming soon, I suggest that you make some videos based on the info from THIS PAGE, becasue millions of people are falling for this supposed depopulation strategy program called Codex Alimentarius, and we need to say things like they are!

LARRY - July 13, 2009

IN CASE YOUR WONDERING RIMA LIVES IN VOLCAN, THE REPUBLIC OF PANAMA. I DON’T CALL HER DOCTOR BECAUSE SHE IS LIVING DOWN HERE TELL US THAT THE SWINE FLUE SHOT WILL KILL THE CHILDREN, AND IF YOU DONT TAKE THE SHOT YOU WILL GO TO PRISON. SHE CLAMES SHE IS LICENSED. I READ THAT IT WAS PULLED.

LARRY

45. angryscientist - July 13, 2009

Larry, where did you read her license was pulled?

I did a little research looking for evidence of that. I didn’t find it, but I did find a curiosity. Dr. Matthias Rath is highly critical of Dr. Laibow in a few articles on his site. This one, Codex and Health Freedom –
Be Wary of the ‘Instant Experts’,
states

July 2006 – There is currently a significant amount of inaccurate and misleading information circulating on the internet about Codex and other related health freedom issues, much of which would appear to have originated on the website of the so-called Natural Solutions Foundation. Whilst the Natural Solutions Foundation’s Medical Director, Rima Laibow, claims to have carefully studied more than 16,000 pages of Codex documentation, the content of her articles and the nature of her proposed strategies strongly suggests otherwise. The following article may therefore help you to sort the facts from the fiction.

Yet in the page linked, Dr. Laibow praises this same

Matthias Rath, MD, famous German physician, outspoken critic of Codex Alimentarius

Dr. Rath is a physician to be taken seriously. He has produced breakthrough medical research, published books on medicine, and is actively campaigning to bring better health to the world through his research findings in Cellular Medicine. He has produced many breakthroughs in Cellular Medicine – such as an effective cure for heart disease – and he means business when he fiercely and courageously speaks out against the corruption of the pharmaceutical industry.

Dr. Rath is a passionate defender of health freedom in Europe and honest critic of Codex Alimentarius.

How ironic is that, when Dr. Rath does not believe Dr. Laibow is an honest critic of CODEX? Does she do her homework? Dr. Rath has some serious misgivings about her credibility and purpose. See also John Hammel’s link to Dr. Rath’s site in comment 18.

46. John Hammell - July 13, 2009

The so called “Natural Solutions Foundation” is not respected by any of the legitimate health freedom organizations in the world.

They are a controlled opposition group. Their goal is to misdirect the grass roots by using sensationalism and fabrication to divert unwary people into taking superfluous courses of action that seem solid on the surface, but are not.

They’d have people believe it is possible to fight Codex AT Codex and they clamor for donations to attend Codex meetings even though it is not possible to stop Codex AT Codex for the simple reason that we have zero political leverage over unelected bureaucrats from the FDA and their international regulatory counterparts- all of which serve as trade associations for Big Pharma and do their bidding when it comes to the suppression of consumer access to dietary supplements and organics.

“Natural Solutions Foundation” sued film maker Kevin Miller who made “We Become Silent” a documentary on the Codex vitamin issue after they attempted unsuccessfully to manipulate the contents of his film.

They didn’t want anything going into the film about regional harmonization (eg CAFTA) because that is how Codex is being ushered into North America. They’re not trying to stop Codex, they’re going through the motions while trying to DIVERT the grass roots away from the courses of action that actually COULD stop it.

By suing Miller, they caused him to lose his house, and effectively blocked him from coming out with an updated version of his film that could have pushed for Congressional Oversight on FDA’s Trilateral Cooperation Charter with Canada and Mexico which is how FDA is attempting to usher Codex into N.America (by creating one harmonized set of Food and Drug Regs for Canada, US and Mexico as if a NAU Dictatorship were already in place.

We feel that they were sent into our movement to sabotage it, because thats in FACT what they have been doing, but most people lack the discernment to realize it.

For more insight into their methods see Paul Taylor’s article “A Modern Major General Exposed?” http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html and all links from it. The TRUTH is NEVER libel.

Also see Scott Tips recent article from the National Health Federation about how NSF attempted to pressure him into forcing him to allow them to join his organization at the recent Codex meeting. Note what Scott says about no other health freedom organizations in the world being willing to associate with them. He is correct on this: “Do You Want to Feel Good or Do You Want to Know the Truth? See the Bullies for What They Really Are” http://www.thenhf.com/press_releases/pr_09_jul_2009.html

Also see this expose on the IAHF website explaining how NSF are a controlled opposition group: http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm

Lastly, about what they’re urging the American people to do about the Swine Flu vaccine situation– its BS advice- they’re urging people send a form letter to Congress asking for someone to sponsor a bill that would allow self quarantine. This isn’t realistic to expect anyone to sponsor due to a Supreme Court decision from 1905 which affirmed the right of states to impose Vaccines (Jacobson v Commonwealth of Massachusetts).

A better way is to urge sheriffs, police, military to join the Oath Keepers and to read Sheriff Macks book The County Sheriff- America’s Last Hope. Mack won a supreme court decision which affirmed that within his Jurisdiction, no one, not even the President or the Governor can tell a sitting sheriff what to do.

A sheriff has a duty to protect his constituents, and to defend the constitution as he sees fit. A sheriff has the legal duty to prevent warrantless searches, forced vaccines, the rounding up of people to be forced into concentration camps… NSF always diverts people into taking superfluous courses of action.

47. Ron - July 24, 2009

Thank you so much for typing this, I am losing a best friend because of this stupid lady. He is moving to Costa Rica because he thinks he will be safe there. People need to stop believing everything they hear on the internet. And you can’t argue with the believers, all they can do is call you a “sheep” and say that you are brainwashed, when they are the ones that appear to be brainwashed.

48. angryscientist - July 24, 2009

I don’t think she is stupid, or that CODEX is nothing to worry about, but I do suspect her motives. Why does your friend think things will be better in Costa Rica? I think that country ratified CAFTA.

49. admin - July 27, 2009

Hi Angry Scientist,

Thank goodness, a voice of reason. I am standing with you in pretty much the same stance when it comes to Rima Laibow. I’d be prepared to believe her, it sounds possible, if not plausible. But where is her evidence? I’ve trawled the internet and I can find nothing, where is she getting her figures from? Saying the 90% of the worlds population will die and that this figure was somehow calculated by the WHO and not her (I’m confused about what she is actually saying in her video at that point) – well, that’s a vast claim to make! One that she really, really needs to back up with evidence.

Because we don’t have facts but only suspicions, I guess we’ll just have to heed those suspicions for now. My instinct is that she has been placed as a nice figurehead for the ‘alternative, supplement taking types’ to make them all look mental. She seems a bit unbalanced in the way she talks, which made my eyes widen when I watched the video. Jabbing fingers, seeming furious and emotional, using emotive language – not really things you want from the Dr who is supposed to be presenting you with the cold hard facts. It certainly doesn’t make me trust anything she says when she’s presenting it in such a… well, biased tone. If that makes sense. She has an agenda alright – I don’t know what it is though.

I share your frustration, anyway. Thanks for attempting to bring a touch of reasoned normality to the whole thing, and I’ll be bookmarking and stopping by your blog again. Keep up the good work… :)

Vicky

50. god - July 27, 2009

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

i suggest you all read the official government site,
illuminating,
in fact why ain`t none of you posted it,

erm smelly

51. angryscientist - July 27, 2009

Hey, god, since when is government propaganda illuminating of anything but its chicanery and hypocrisy? By the way, I have read parts of that site, looking for evidence to back up Dr. Laibow’s claims. Of course, I didn’t find any.

52. rchem - July 28, 2009

The codex website is illuminating in the sense that it lists everything the program intends to do, and you can stay updated on the great “work” the committees are getting done. What an ominous program.

53. angryscientist - July 28, 2009

If I believed the site lists everything CODEX intends to do, there would be no doubt in my mind whether Dr. Laibow is exaggerating, because there’s no evidence on the site to back up any of the things I questioned. However, I doubt they’d be forthcoming about all of their plans. Most of them, probably, but not all, and some of their plans might be obvious only to those who understand their coded language. I’m no stranger to scientific jargon, but bureaucratese is another matter entirely.

54. rchem - July 29, 2009

I agree. After seeing a clip of Laibow in a documentary, I tried to confirm some of the facts that she claimed, most sought after for me was trying to find those WHO death projections, and I wanted to try to find out about the limitations for pesticides but…it is difficult to wade through their material. If you actually read the committee documents though, it is kind of frightening. In many topics they discuss, different member states always have objections, with the WHO representative referring them to another committee, or saying they will take the concerns under consideration. There is a definite direction to where the WHO is pushing the program, and it seems to always be to the benefit of something other than actual food safety.

Angry Scientist, what do you think the Codex endgame is? Do you think that eventually these will become enforced, having such deleterious effects as it is being described by some?

55. angryscientist - July 29, 2009

I think CODEX is out to push the pharmaceutical and biotechnology agenda. How far they will get may depend on how mad the public gets about it. There has been a concerted effort to cast dietary supplements as dangerous frauds, and today the UK Food Standards Agency came out with a report claiming organic foods have no health benefits! I think the agenda is pretty clear. CODEX will make it much harder and more expensive, if not impossible, to buy supplements, especially those seen as competing with officially approved drugs. The practices of big business are making people and the planet sick. As long as big business is making money, nobody in power seems to give a damn about the consequences. Obama is no help. Just appointed as a senior adviser to the FDA on food safety was Michael Taylor, a hack from Monsanto. This may seem bizarre after all the hoopla about the organic garden on the White House lawn, but it fits a President who believes in clean coal and safe nuclear power. Energy Secretary Steven Chu just dismissed fuel cell cars, the best long-term solution for transportation I can imagine, as impractical. Obama said in his inaugural speech he will “restore science to its rightful place.” There’s precious little rightful about what’s going on in the name of science. I see no politician doing anything about the corruption of science. CODEX is just one example of that corruption.

56. Codex Alimentarius - Sargasso - July 30, 2009

[...] verhalen zijn mooi, interessant, spannend en misschien overtuigend, maar niet verifieerbaar. Als ze aangesproken worden op het onderwerp volgen alleen maar ontwijkende verhalen. Daarnaast komen alle bronnen uit [...]

57. JAson - July 30, 2009

A lady I worked with a few years ago had come from Ballard Power Systems in Burnaby, BC, CAN. For those unaware Ballard is the most well known fuel cell developer in the world.

She told me that firefighter associations from the Yukon down to Florida resolutely REJECT attending calls to vehicle fires/or serious accidents involving fuel cell vehicles. They have a much higher explosion potential than even gasoline and it is the least talked about setback that the technology faces.

On the other hand, Renaissance Charge LLC has recently introduced a line of electric car battery chargers based on the historic work of Nikola Tesla, now reproduced by audio accoustics genius John Bedini.

Obama is for anything that his Wall Street Masters tell him to, that is so obvious now. The people voted him in and when they overwhelmingly said NO to his bailout, he did what his WSM told him to do, he gave the money to them. That is pure fact.

As for AngryScientist; I am slowly coming around to the notion that the doctor and her husband may be part of an establishment agenda. However, if that is true, then that alone should prove to us all that CODEX stinks to high heaven and that the Illuminati Old World Order Globalists want to protect it.

Energy from the Vacuum or ‘radiant energy’ as Tesla termed it has always been the path we were supposed to take as a species. Our universities are controlled by government funding and the think tanks that guide them. This also includes what to teach electrical engineers, and they’ve been practicing the same busted theories for over a hundred years now. Clean coal is not clean in the end and nuclear energy is a halfway solution to utilizing what Tesla already discovered back in the 30’s but it’s still polluting in the extreme. We can’t bury nuclear waste forever eh.

I know alot of that was off topic but DAM these elitists, they’ve got us by the balls on so many fronts!

I agree that CODEX cannot be stopped at CODEX. It will have to be each of us standing up for our own freedom in our own countries. Good luck everyone.

58. angryscientist - July 31, 2009

Obviously, confined hydrogen gas is an explosion risk, but I’d like to see some confirmation of that policy of firefighters. There aren’t many fuel cell vehicles on the road. Honda is leasing some, and Ballard has a fleet of buses on the road. I wouldn’t want to go near a bus on fire no matter what fuel it was using, but there are other means of delivering hydrogen to fuel cells besides confining it as a gas under high pressure. I know, because I own stock in several fuel cell companies, all of which have gone way down (or bankrupt) since I bought them. Battery technology will get better, but in the long run, I think fuel cells will surpass anything batteries can do.

I discovered a recent article by Barbara Minton, a friend of Dr. Laibow, in two versions. The first, titled Billions of People Expected to Die Under Current Codex Alimentarius Guidelines was removed from the original source at Natural News, but can still be found here at Infowars. The second, titled Codex Threatens Health of Billions, was posted nine days later at Natural News and Gary Null’s site. I don’t know what the deal is, but I note the first version is heavily peppered with references to Dr. Laibow and has a link to her video explaining CODEX (the same one I linked at the top) and a few extra paragraphs touting her work, while the second doesn’t mention her at all! Aside from that, the content is virtually identical! Both versions state

Under Codex, every dairy animal can be treated with growth hormone

. That’s considerably toned down from what she said in that video,

Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone.

Monsanto sold the rights to rBST to Eli Lilly almost a year ago.

Another strange conjunction is a link at the bottom of both versions of the article to the home page of the Alliance for Natural Health Campaign, which also has a juicy article documenting misinformation spread by Dr. Laibow about CODEX, which also links to the Dr Rath Foundation article I linked in comment 45.

JAson - August 2, 2009

Iris was an executive-level project manager’s assistant at Ballard Power, a really nice & very smart woman from Romania. We started discussing the future of that company (since she had left already and could speak freely) and that firefighter ‘bit’ was one of the things she said. I have nowhere to point to for a public statement.

As for the battery thing; radiant energy charging is all that matters, NOT the batteries. The standard method for charging batteries worldwide is to jam positive energy into the product against the flow of current coming out. It causes all kinds of heating up, sulfation, and eventually the electrolyte dries up.

However with radiant charging a battery first changes it’s chemical composition automatically & naturally to suit the flow of radiant energy coming into the battery. The result is a battery that doesn’t really heat up during charging (if at all), no sulfation ever occurs, and the electrolyte gets stronger with every charge.

So for example; last year I bought the latest and greatest AA batteries for my brand new 8MP digital camera; Sanyo Eneloop 1.2v Ni-MH, 2,100 mAh.

The claim of this company is that after 12 months of usage their batteries will retain at least 80% of the full charge that you got when they were brand new. Which is actually quite good by conventional standards.

So I split my batteries into two sets, one set would only be radiantly charged, the other set I’ve plugged into the wall with the supplied charger by Sanyo.

The Sanyo charged batteries offered approx. 450-500 pictures per charge, and a year later I’m getting about 20-22% less pictures on a full charge. Not bad, and in line with the manufacturers marketing data.

The radiantly charged batteries however doubled the 450-500 picture maximum within 6 charge cycles on my RC-1AU. After one year I am STILL getting those results and they’ve increased a bit. I get around 1,200 pictures per full charge and these batteries NEVER heat up while charging and consistently charge in half the time it takes with the Sanyo plugin charger.

OK! So the results of this experiment scale up directly with the size of battery you’re charging. Apply that to a set of automotive batteries running an electric car, the benefits are obvious.

With all the calls for World Government, er, Governance (you pick the term that tickles you the most) there must eventually be a global department of food and farming right? I believe that the United Nations has created CODEX for specifically that purpose. The real question is whether we want to hand over full control of our ‘daily bread’ to a foreign, offshore entity.

Remember, power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

PS – AngryScientist we’ve communicated by private email in the recent past, and found out we live quite close to each other. I’ll offer up those batteries for your piece-of-mind, if I recall correctly, you are a salt of the Earth kinda guy. Well Tesla discovered the energetic salt of the universe and the output of any radiantly charged battery is astounding to the uninitiated.

Cheers,

William Croft - December 25, 2009

Jason, hi. I think you have a website Aion Alchemy? I just sent you an email. Would like to talk more about Radiant Energy topics. I think we both also live in Silicon Valley. Regards, William

JAson - December 29, 2009

Hi William,

That’s great that you’re interested in radiant energy, you have to build a Bedini Energizer! A few years ago I bought a set of plans for a simple device from Aion Alchemy, which is NOT my site.
I am Jason Anthony (pluginwithj.com) (Vancouver BC)
Jason Wolf is (aionalchemy.com) (Silicon Valley, CA)

If you’re not much of a “builder type”, commercial production of overunity devices are available at Renaissance Charge LLC in the form of a line of advanced battery chargers.

59. Just_Curious - August 2, 2009

A co-worker of mine mentioned that she lost her farm subsidies due to growing organic grass fed cattle and refused hormones and antibiotics.

Perhaps that is the “legal” means of eliminating organic cattle farms?

Since this whole topic started off regarding the agenda surrounding that, can anyone attest to actually researching what types of farm subsidies are being given out and what stipulations they contain?

Just curious.

60. angryscientist - August 3, 2009

Jason, I am fascinated by Tesla’s work, but I don’t recall corresponding with you. Maybe you used a different e-mail address?

61. Boo - August 5, 2009

Sorry Mr. Angry, but although I respect your (kind-of) agnosticism regarding the claims of Laibow, I gotta say I’m kind of sympathetic to the odd-balls you perceived to be stonewalling you for serious references. If anything, Mr. Angry, your site and your diatribes come off as a flaky hit piece.

I will agree that it’s quite a copout not to provide a serious researcher — hell, even a debunker who is hell-driven to disprove something for the sake of disproving something — with at least a couple of New York Times articles. I will also point out that it’s pretty corny to expect the New York Times to put such on page seventeen somewhere, in fine print, if it were happening.

If I at least entertain the central thesis of many of these odd-balls, that the Council on Foreign Relations and various other ominous-sounding multi-national groups are working together to create a one world government, and I take into account some of the evidence that they put forward (specifically statements made by Kissinger about depopulation, and David Rockerfeller thanking the media members for keeping silent about their “plans for the world,” I have to at least cop to the fact that in the scenario they illustrate, the news media are doing an excellent job of keeping mum on the whole thing.

Well, it would seem that such media blackouts exist, and that corporate censorship is hardly without precedent. Project Censored exists specifically to point out that self-censorship of our media is a problem. Government censorship as well.

About the subject of Codex, I have to say that although I may not have any of the “specifics” that you went after Laibow’s peoples’ throats for, I gotta say it kind of makes sense given the current trend toward “harmonization” of different world police states. It’s been this way– at least this obvious– since 9/11, and at this point, if you didn’t at least smell a rat, you don’t have much common sense at all, as far as I’m concerned.

62. angryscientist - August 6, 2009

Congratulations on completely missing my point. I smell rats all over the place. I suspect Dr. Laibow is in cahoots with them. Would you care to specify anything I’ve said as flaky, or should I characterize your comment as a flaky hit piece? Do you really think 9/11 changed anything, besides enabling a great acceleration of preexisting trends? By the way, I don’t think 9/11 was an “inside job.” I don’t believe the official account, but the 9/11 truth movement I find even less credible than Bush. Those people seem to have no idea how easy it is to bring down a skyscraper. I might decide to detail my theory about that some day, but I’ve considered it a colossal waste and distraction from the real issues at hand.

63. Boo - August 6, 2009

Thanks for the congrats. I’ll congratulate myself as usual as well. :)

As such, I didn’t even really see any “hard evidence” that you had anything like a point. Your canard on Laibow seems to be born of cognitive dissonance. You came into information that was troubling, or troubling to many others besides yourself. Maybe quirky, eccentric Laibow’s sensationalism, and yea, lack of hard information spurred you to comment on this internet meme and the specter of “Codex Alimentarius” haunting the world. I might be more of a fan of yours if you had resorted to attacking YouTube’s collection of paranoid videos of alleged “shapeshifting reptilians” talked of by David Icke. They’re my personal peeve. Was it a flaky hit piece? Maybe not as such but it sure came off that way. Wouldn’t be any less corny if it were about the Reptilians, albeit I might enjoy it more. Was mine flaky? Could be, if it makes you feel better to think of it that way. I’m hardly “characterizing” anything. I’m saying what I bloody think, and after reading what you typed up there, that’s what came to mind right away.

Y’know what? Don’t care either way. Never did. Wanna debunk her? Get some information from the WHO and the UN and show us how full of shit she is. I’m rooting for you. I’m not really dissing you, although I might have that tone, I’m genuinely not. We have a pretty f’ed up world, and I welcome any good news that a doomsday prophet is a fraud. Entertaining her scenario, I would guess that the “perpetrators” are already on your side crying fraud. Just showing that she’s not cooperating with your investigation is hardly a slam dunk into the case of whether or not she’s a charlatan. Genuinely busy people off in Africa or Geneva or wherever the hell she is at the moment can be just as busy as charlatans.

If anything, Laibow comes off more as a protestor, a town crier, and a gadfly than a medical professional, but that might work to her advantage when confronting a health industry that has, as at least seemingly acknowledged that proliferating diseases and malnourishment is a moneymaking machine– if you’re selling relief from ailments in a bottle. I’ll point to: an instance where Bayer knowingly sold drugs contaminated with the AIDS virus, got caught red-handed doing so, and then proceeded to dump the drugs overseas and turn a profit, to substantiate the looneys and what they bring to the table. That supposedlyadoctorlady is eccentric and weird, but the people who aren’t are selling drugs that kill.

Personally, much more troubling to me is a world where people are so mired in the status quo and conditioned to believe, for the sake of their own sanity, that people in power are good people and rich people are rich because someone in their family must have worked really hard and not cheated to get where they are, and that power doesn’t corrupt but enriches, and I could go on. Personally I find it unnecessary to disprove or substantiate her comments. The fact that what Laibow outlines *COULD* be true is -far- more troubling, and it should be as well to all the apathetic smot-pokers out there who might stumble upon this page. Whereas character assassinating a weird doctor lady might be shooting fish in a barrel, debunking the possibility, I think, is what all the debunkers at least feel like they should be trying to do, and in the process are just shooting down icons (can’t say I blame them. I don’t care for icons myself).

It’s relatively easy to convince hordes of people that the Elites of the world are out to get them. That’s largely because, it’s very likely that they are.

The very fact that we live in a profit-driven society, rather than something more ergonomic and efficient, I’d use to substantiate that claim. I’d support my position as well by suggesting that the Fractional Reserve lending system by which our credit operates is meant to fatten the pockets of the beneficiaries of the central lending system while drain wealth away from others. Instead, what we have is the essence of entropy. Look at mass transit infrastructure. Look at building materials. Watch as your bridges, highways, and buildings crumble, unable to bear the burdens of massive debts.

64. Boo - August 6, 2009

Wow, in postscript, I looked at what you posted above, about a “juicy” article talking about crazy-lady’s misinformation, and it’s kinda funny how it talks about “using what democratic powers still remain” in Europe. No, Codex doesn’t have the “authority” to make Europe have a law banning (certain) vitamins and minerals. The European Parliament does, however. Can you imagine what vitamins will be banned in the scenario that -this- website outlines? Probably ones offered up from smaller companies that are healthier than say, huge processed-food-company-with-marketing-budget’s Brand X.

Now we know what those dollars spent for marketing and PR really go to.

All in all, this pretty much substantiates what Laibow is claiming. Albeit, correcting what she said in a knowitallish kind of way.

65. angryscientist - August 6, 2009

Boo, I agree with some of what you’re saying, but I don’t think you want to get what I’m trying to say. My primary point is, if someone claiming to know it all about CODEX makes preposterous claims, saying she has extensive documentation and that nothing is exaggerated or interpolated, and can’t or won’t back it up, that does nothing but cast doubts on her credibility, and by extension, the credibility of others with similar concerns. That’s the main reason I posted this. Another reason was the shabby way she treated Laurie Jessop, trying to exploit her plight despite adamant requests to mind her own business. I’ve known about the threat from CODEX for years. Gary Null has been harping on that for years. It’s a real problem, but wildly exaggerating what it intends to do just helps officials discredit the critics. Whether that’s her intent or not, I can’t prove either way, but it sure inflames my suspicions. There’s so much disinformation out there, why is she contributing to it?

My understanding of the CODEX plans for vitamins is to ban, or make available by prescription only, any product with high enough potency to do anything besides stave off deficiency, to drive up the cost and thus, the demand for pharmaceuticals as people are deprived of ways of counteracting the ever-increasing toxic burden. There have been huge battles in European countries over this plan. According to the European Commission

The Directive 2002/46/EC of the European Parliament and Council of 10 June 2002 on the approximation of the laws of Member States relating to food supplements establishes harmonised rules for the labelling of food supplements and introduces specific rules on vitamins and minerals in food supplements. The aim is to harmonise the legislation and to ensure that these products are safe and appropriately labelled so that consumers can make informed choices.

Annex II of Directive 2002/46/EC is a list of permitted vitamin or mineral preparations that may be added for specific nutritional purposes in food supplements. It has been amended by Commission Directive 2006/37/EC to include additional substances. The trade of products containing vitamins and minerals not listed in Annex II has been prohibited from the 1st of August 2005.

There is a wide range of vitamin preparations and minerals substances used in the manufacture of food supplements that are currently marketed in Member States and which have not undergone a scientific safety evaluation. In order to allow the necessary time for this safety evaluation, Member States may provide derogations until 31 December 2009, for vitamins and minerals and their forms not included in the Directive, in view of the future addition to the Annexes of the Directive, as long as the following conditions are fulfilled:

(a) the substance in question was used in food supplements marketed in the Community prior to 12 July 2002

(b) the European Food Safety Authority has not given an unfavourable opinion in respect of the use of the substance, or its use in that form, in the manufacture of food supplements, on the basis of a dossier supporting use of the substance that has to be submitted to the Commission by the Member State by 12 July 2005.

From my understanding, CODEX plans to bring this to the rest of the world. There’s also a CODEX page on that European Commission site.

66. angryscientist - August 13, 2009

Another means of delivering hydrogen to fuel cells was revealed last month. It turns out, according to scientists at Ohio University, a nickel electrode can split off hydrogen from urine with very little voltage! So much for having to store hydrogen in high pressure tanks!

67. JAson - August 13, 2009

Perhaps that’s true, but what still remains is a commodity that can be controlled by a few monopolistic entities. “filling up” with hydrogen still means buying from a fuel station.

No sleight against your positive attitude AS but,

The only universal constant is the energetic equivalent of the electric salt of the universe that Nikola Tesla discovered over a hundred years ago. The rest of the known universe has been operating off ‘it’ since time began, so it should be good enough for us.

The only sustainable solution is one in which ANYBODY can generate their own power, not controlled by someone else, and by utilizing the only non-polluting energy source in the universe (energy from the vacuum).

Without this mindset, we’ll continue killing each other off in the ‘resources wars’ until there’s only 1 person left. That person will have sustainability because “someone else is NOT controlling their energy production or how they use it”.

68. Boo - August 13, 2009

I get what you’re saying. But from the most lay standpoint: we have a somewhat hysterical person saying some eyebrow-raising things about something that is … well. Eyebrow raising, put in the context of the forced vaccinations, you have Fox News talking about population reduction, and you have Hallburton/Kellog building concentration camps… it seems to me like they’re getting ready to feign surprise again.

I’ll give you that there’s a lot of things she should do if she wants to enhance her credibility. But hey, I learned about this global government food code bullshit through her. I have to give her props that her sensationalism at least gets her more views on Youtube, and more people like yourself can enter into a dialogue with the information, whether it’s in a caustic tone or no :)

I’d prefer hearing the typical could-be-lies from the government agencies being similarly scrutinized, as well as a cross-section of Gary Nulls and whoever and what they have to say.

69. angryscientist - August 13, 2009

JAson, when Bush talked about the hydrogen economy, I’m sure he did envision the big energy companies controlling it. However, it will probably become possible for people to fill up cars with hydrogen at home. Catalysts are amazing things, providing low energy pathways to drive reactions one might otherwise expect to be prohibitively costly. Bottom line, I don’t think getting energy without burning carbon is going to be such a tough nut to crack. It will be, as long as the powers that be can keep the fossil fuel gravy train going.

Do you consider the sun, wind, tides, geothermal polluting sources of energy, or just our means of tapping the energy? Building any device will generate some pollution, but well-designed devices can last a very long time without generating any more pollution.

70. JAson - August 18, 2009

That’s a great question because as you stated (in different words) there is no action, without reaction. In this case we’re trying to speak of the fine line of what constitutes ‘pollution’ making.

How many different slivers of the pie called “perception of pollution” can there be? Perhaps as many as there are people alive today is a readily available answer. Let me then offer my take.

The passage below is re-published here from the Vancouver Sun newspaper online website. It is a lengthy comment I left recently regarding an article entitled

Vancouver Sun
“Global warming is the new religion of First World urban elites”
Written By: Jonathan Manthorpe
Date: July 29, 2009

Comment by Jason Anthony

There is no doubt at all that if we continue to teach scientific concepts that chain us to the current energy cartels – – this place will end up like in that movie Wall-E. That is a fact.

I do not accept being told to turn down my thermostat when the power company refuses to sell me anything but ecosystem destroying hydroelectric power.

Yes it is better than breathing in soot and toxic elements from a local coal fired power plant, thank-you Abbotsford residents for fighting SE2 in Sumas.

However, I still wouldn’t want to live near a wind farm, have you listened to the endless noise racket from these contraptions? What about their devastating effect on local bird populations?

I’m afraid that nuclear power also has absolutely NO place in a sustainable future on Earth, we can’t bury nuclear waste forever eh.

No amount of wave snakes spread out across the worlds oceans and clogging up shipping lanes of the dirty diesel powered ships is going to do it either.

Solar power has been around since the ancient Egyptians and even they never built a society around it. Only a few thousand years later and we’re still at 17% efficiency with this technology and getting nowhere.

There is one thing in common behind all of these failed & flawed technologies and that is – – they all utilize the identical electrodynamic theories to produce and distribute our electrical energy. The Laws of Thermodynamics as we know them are horribly flawed and the very best foundation scientists we have know this.
There are at least 20 known fundamental flaws in the presently accepted, worldwide used, electrical theories taught to every electrical engineer – – from Vancouver to Sydney to Istanbul.

The only solution at this point is for enough people to search out and take-in the truth that’s being held from us, and DEMAND our politicians to rout the official scientific priesthood that controls our education.

I’m exhaling CO2 right now, so are you. And right now the Earth is traveling 14,000 km/hr through empty space, spinning on it’s axis, going around the sun, while our entire little piece of the sky turns in a spiral galaxy. Where is the pollution from this unfathomable amount of energy being expended?

I bet if the energy priests here on Earth would let us answer that question, we’d be a lot further ahead. Of course, multinational elitist owned corporations like Kinder Morgan and Royal Dutch Shell would probably be a lot poorer. Our current system does not allow that, so all of us have to have a breathing tax.

By the way, how many of you know that Al Gore (the filthy son of a tobacco baron) has controlling shares in the corporations currently on tap to manage our carbon credits?

ADDENDUM, dated August 14, 2009, Written by me specifically for this post

Some points that I’d like to add;

1. This most certainly does not solve any debate about where our future should go, but it does provide enough ‘adjectives’ for the discerning individual to search out those scientists who ARE performing experiments that COULD have the POSSIBILITY to transform our way of life as we know it – IF enough people will take an interest in their own future.

2. My step-dad lived near a gigantic wind farm in California as an adolescent in the early 70’s. He says they are unbelievably loud, nobody wants to live near them or farm the land around them for miles. And Californians knew about the bird population effects way back then.

3. I live in Abbotsford and fought vehemently against SE2.

4. I work in civil engineering and part of the studies of this field are – – about the Earth. The dirt, layers, the composition. I have worked on hydroelectric dam projects myself. I claim to be NO EXPERT, but I have maintained a sustained interest in the energy field for about 11 years now.

5. I am 32 years old, married with 2kids. They are the only vested interest I have in this entire energy scheme. I own no stock market shares, and my day job is (see no.3).

6. As of July 2009, there are now 34 known flaws in the Classical EM Theory taught to every electrical engineer on the planet.

They are as follows;

(Spread these around, no university has a sustainable answer for why these questions HAVEN’T been answered). Perhaps their corporate endowment funds don’t allow such questions to be posed, let alone answered.

Flaws in Classical EM Theory

1. Eliminates the Internal EM Inside the
Scalar Potential.

2. No Definition of Electrical Charge or
of Scalar Potential.

3. Equations Still Assume Material Ether
Per Maxwell (Unchanged).

4. Use of Force Fields in Vacuum is False
(and Known to be So).

5. Treats Charge q as Unitary Instead of
Coupled System q=ø(q)m(q).

6. Confuses Massless Potential Gradients
as Forces (See #3, #4).

7. Does Not Utilize Mass as a Component
of Force (See #23).

8. Erroneously Assumes EM Force Field as
Primary Causes.

9. Topology of EM Model Has Been Substantially
Reduced.

10. Does Not Include Quantum Potential or Action
at a Distance.

11. Does Not Include Superluminal Velocity of Inner
EM Components.

12. Does Not Utilize Extended Near-Field Coulomb
Gauge Effects.

13. Does Not Include EM Generatrix Mechanism
For Time Flow.

14. Does Not Unify Photon and Wave Aspects
(Requires 7-D Model).

15. Does Not Include Electron Spin and Precession
(See #19, #24).

16. Treats EM Energy As Existing in “Chunks,”
Instead of as Flow.

17. Confuses Energy and Energy Collection
(See #16).

18. Discards Half of Every EM Wave in Vacuum
(See #22).

19. Erroneously Uses Transverse Vacuum Wave;
It’s Quasi-Longitudinal.

20. Arbitrarily Regauges Maxwell’s Equations to
Eliminate Overunity Maxwellian Systems.

21. Omits Phase Conjugate Optics Effects
(Which are the Rule in Internal EM).

22. Does Not Include EM Cause of Newtonian
Reaction Force.

23. Erroneously Assumes Separate Force Acting
on Separate Mass.

24. Confuses Detected Electron Precession Waves
as Proving Transverse EM Waves in Vacuum
(Remnant of Old “EM Fluid” Concept).

25. Due to Error in String Wave, Omits the
Ubiquitous Antiwave.

26. Assumes Equilibrium; Not True Unless Include
Vacuum Interactions.

27. Higher Toplogy Required, to Model
Electromagnetic Reality.

28. Lorentz surface integration discards Poynting
energy transport.

29. Has nothing at all to say about form of
EM entities in massless space.

30. Eliminates the infolded general relativity using
EM-force as curve agent.

31. Does not include longitudinal EM wave phase
conjugate pairs as time domain oscillations.

32. Does not include EM mechanism that generates
time flow and flow rate.

33. Does not include time-excitation charging
and decay.

34. Does not include time-reversal zones.

** Like every single thing man has ever developed; OF COURSE energy from the vacuum needs to be studied for it’s potential for pollution. Either affecting man, animal, plants, the earth, the moon, whatever. But at this point anything is better than acid rain/oceans or toxic fumes.

But the facts still remain that Tesla and others re-discovered (since there is evidence ancient cultures knew this too) “the energetic equivalent of the electric salt of the universe” or sand of the universe if you like. Everyone has heard that statistic about the number of grains of sand on this planet outnumber the amount of known planets and stars in the universe.

Ok, well, can you see an electron with your naked eye? no of course not. Can you see the energetic state of an electron before it becomes an electron, no of course not. An electron is made up of even smaller parts.

These ‘even smaller parts’ appear to make up the bulk of quote unquote “empty space” of the universe. And if we cannot imagine how much sand that is, does anyone think we’ll run out of the “smaller parts” anytime soon? I mean, how old is the universe? And didn’t Einstein discover that “energy is neither created nor destroyed, it only changes form”? So this energetic salt of the universe should be around for another 3 or 4 billion years at least, right? All I’m doing is following a logical path of reasoning.

We are tapping some of that energy right now with our Einstein described “changing-form technologies” but they massively pollute this planet to make electricity as we know it.

We don’t have to use up all of our finite resources here on Earth. Water is a finite resource, so is coal, so are nuclear fuel rods, so is oil, so is natural gas, so is wind, so is bio-diesel, so is sugar-cane, and so is hydrogen.

In my opinion, the concept of saving this planet with carbon taxes and individual reduction is INSANE, clincially speaking.

I for one am sick & tired of listening to pseudo science sermons from the entrenched establishment pulpits!!!

Therefore it’s high time that we rally as a people and tell our government paid scientific officials – no no no. There are better people to hire than YOU, and they needed to be hired YESTERYEAR.

Don’t just sit there and laugh, or sigh, or whatever lazy excuse comes to you; RESEARCH IT

“There is NO sustainability without INSISTING that NEW SCIENTISTS re-examine our ENTIRE CORRUPTED ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING MODEL!”

The keywords are; radiant energy, Nikola Tesla, energy from the vacuum documentary series, Bedini monopole motor, Lee & Yang Nobel Prize winners, Aharanov-Bohm effect, Gabriel Kron, Floyd Sweet, C.O.P. (coefficient of performance), overunity

71. angryscientist - August 18, 2009

Jason, I’m not going to pretend I understand all of that, but I do know as far as the methods this world currently employs to tap energy, we might as well be living in the dark ages. I’ve often wondered why spaceships aren’t using electromagnetic propulsion instead of burning rocket fuel (one possible explanation for flying saucers). Electromagnetism is so much stronger than gravity, it isn’t funny. I’ve also wondered why there aren’t devices to tap the electromagnetic fields generated by the motion of the earth. I’ve read about plans to dangle long cables from a space station, but that just scratches the surface. I know Tesla discovered a lot of things that are either actively suppressed, confined to weapons research, or nobody else could understand. I remember while studying physics at Caltech wondering about all the factors that were assumed to cancel each other out. I’ve wondered why scientists seem to prefer to conceptualize electromagnetic energy as massless quanta instead of conceptualizing matter as tightly interacting waves. I’ve wondered why scientists seem so sure there was a Big Bang, with either cycles of expansion and collapse or a future of a cold dead universe with all energy and matter spread thin. There are other explanations for the apparent expansion of the universe. I’m more inclined to believe the universe is hyperbolic and infinite.

Unfortunately this discussion has drifted totally off topic, and I don’t know if it makes sense to try to discuss this on a blog. Maybe in the My Theories section it would be more appropriate.

72. JAson - August 19, 2009

Way off topic now, yes.

No more energy talk here from me.

John has asked himself some very good, very deep, and very important questions. And as much as we are asking every reader here to pose the hard questions about Codex Alimentarius, this last spate of commentaries on the nature of energy is intimately tied to it.

If we are to feed all 6 billion of us here, it will NOT be done with either the current energy “status quo” laws of the universe, nor Codex.

My interpretation of Codex A. is mostly about eugenics and the global elitists desire to live on this planet relatively alone.

And so they are using this agenda to keep advanced energy & farming methodology concepts from becoming mainstream by eventually convincing the whole world that food farming production is on the brink of meltdown.

Control of food supplies has long been a favorite tyrannical mechanism of control-freak governments… and the United Nations wants to be the first planetary government. We must resist.

73. angryscientist - August 19, 2009

Last night at 1 AM KPFK rebroadcast an interview by Gary Null of Dr. Paul A. LaViolette, who oddly enough, was talking about cutting edge ways of producing energy, Tesla, the Big Bang, and flying saucers! His most recent book is Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion: Tesla, UFO’s and Classified Aerospace Technology. His website is http://etheric.com/. The show was originally aired on WPFW in Washington DC on August 11. Though Gary Null doesn’t archive his WPFW shows, It should be available on the KPFK archives for this morning. Believe it or not, I didn’t know about this interview until I heard it last night. Maybe I will write something about our methods of producing energy, as obsolete as the dinosaurs. I don’t believe in coincidences. LaViolette said he sent a letter to Energy Secretary Steven Chu offering to lend his knowledge of cutting edge methods of energy generation, but got no response. Gee I wonder why. If I remember correctly, he said he thinks the folks at the Energy Dept. are only interested in nuclear power, clean coal, and more conventional forms of alternative energy such as wind and solar power. I should point out that advances in wind power have made the turbines less noisy and dangerous to birds. Nevertheless, the human understanding of electromagnetism is still kind of primitive, and we have barely scratched the surface of its possibilities. Not only that, but there does seem to be active resistance to exploring those possibilities.

More on topic, if the genetic engineers have their way, farming will go over the brink of meltdown. There are good reasons nature provides such incredible biodiversity, but the genetic engineers want to control and standardize the gene pool. This is the stuff of science fiction horror stories, yet somehow, it’s now accepted as part of mainstream science. Playing God isn’t the half of it; in their hubris, the genetic engineers actually think they know what they’re doing. If they do, I’d say they are far more malevolent than any terrorist. I think they have some idea, but the inevitable consequences of their meddling I think they must be too blinded by greed to see. The problem is, CODEX doesn’t have to mandate the takeover of the food supply; the pollen issuing from these foolhardy experiments is doing that dirty work all by itself.

JAson - August 20, 2009

I heard a former BBC news presenter say,

“The elites have perfected a control mechanism which I describe as this; Problem, Reaction, Solution” – David Icke

“First they will create the PROBLEM, to generate a REACTION, to which they will offer their SOLUTION”.

Right now I think everyone (and of course the colluding scientists) would probably say that genetic manipulation of our food stocks is (the solution), but I disagree.

My opinion is that this craziness of gene-wrecking is actually the generated (reaction) to the over arching fear mongering that we won’t be able to feed everyone (the problem), or even most of us.

The real issue then is, when does the United Nations finally come out and say that this latest craze of gene manipulation has actually devastated and contaminated most farms worldwide?

At that point, everyone will then be begging for the control mechanism (the solution) which will be Codex Alimentarius, and it’s eugenicist ambitions.

All GMO practices must be stopped.

Graham K - February 10, 2010

I think that its worth mentioning here that David Icke is a retired BBC sports announcer, not a news presenter, and has formally announced that he’s the son of God…..please lets not quote any more Ickeisms, or portray the man as anything less than barking.

tracy - May 8, 2010

Hegelian Dialectics is the proper name for the ‘Icke’ statement.

74. angryscientist - August 20, 2009

What I find odd about genetically engineered foods is that most people say they don’t want to eat them, some crops have aroused such stiff resistance that the manufacturers give up on them, at least temporarily, studies show their yields are inferior under most conditions, yet most scientists and governments keep pushing them. The manufacturers don’t want these inventions labeled, because they know most people would reject them if they had a choice. Europe used to have strict bans in place, but I guess through WTO pressure, the EU was persuaded to open the floodgates for some of the crops. The Gates and Clinton foundations are trying to get African nations to take these crops, with the help of the Obama Administration. What I don’t get is how such an unpopular technology manages to survive, suppressing evidence of bad effects on animals forced to eat these foods, in the face of popular opposition. It worries me that industry and government have such power in supposed democracies that they can force this kind of crap down our throats. What has become of science and democracy, that scientific truth and popular will are so easily disregarded?

75. Wenona - September 13, 2009

You said, “It worries me that industry and government have such power in supposed democracies that they can force this kind of crap down our throats. What has become of science and democracy, that scientific truth and popular will are so easily disregarded?”

I share your sentiments. Are we supposed to try to get every single person to share our worry and take action against it? I think that’s the only way we would get the good and necessary changes.

On the subject of Dr. Laibow and NSF, I used to subscribe to her emails. But after reading an email from National Health Federation about her actions, I cancelled.

I’m fascinated by science and think it can offer many solutions, improvements to our lifestyle. GMO is a bad idea, though. I would really enjoy using radiant energy, are there any sources for products created to generate or use it?

76. Ali - October 22, 2009

Thank you for the post angryscientist. This Lady was really scaring me, I am glad that she has no proof of killing of 3 billion people. But
unfortunately I found other people -seriuos people- also critizizing the Alimentarius Codex, for example on a german website a film by a Dr. Gottfried Lange, with not that scary but still scary claims about the Codex Alimentarius. He only did not mention that 3 Billion people would die by this. He mainly critizises that this codex is an attempt to criminalize Vitamins. Vitamins he says are better than any drug, and are totally harmless. He also slams Genmanipulated foods, and vacccines. And unlike Dr Lima he has documents to proof his claims, can check it on his Website of his Foundation http://www.winhs.org/legislation/index.htm

77. Anonymous - November 12, 2009

Banned Pesticide’s on Codex’s MRL list
(http://www.codexalimentarius.net/mrls/pestdes/jsp/pest_q-e.jsp)

Severely banned list:
Carbofuran (doesn’t specify if it’s granular or not in Codex)
Damniozide
Heptachlor
Lindane

(Note this list only contain 8 pesticides and 4 of them are on the Codex MRL list)

U.S. Banned Pesticides (General)

Captafol
Carbon Tetrachloride
Chlordane
Chordimeform
Chlorobenzilate
DDT
Dieldrin
Endrin
Hexachlorobenzene
Mevinphos
Nitrofen

I tried to post a much longer detailed post, but I don’t think it will let me. So I am just putting the pesticides I looked up.

78. angryscientist - November 13, 2009

Hmm. I’m not aware of length limitations on comments, though I suppose there must be some limit. What happened when you tried?

Anonymous - November 14, 2009

When I tried it said “discarded”

79. JAson - November 16, 2009

he he he, I was gonna say… Back in July we posted some massively long comments, ok it was mostly me, but they were published nonetheless.

80. angryscientist - November 16, 2009

Discarded? I’ll have to do some research on that. It does appear there’s some limit; I tried pasting in a big document, but the resulting comment was blank, as if I had posted an empty comment! Maybe since I’m the blog author, it tried to post the gigantic comment and failed, instead of discarding it. Usually comments WordPress thinks are spam get sent to spam, not thrown out!

81. Don - December 31, 2009

Just remember Angry Scientist, there would be no conspiracies if everything was documented! I think Dr. Laibow can say certain things as fact and not have any proof to back it up because she has been told certain things by the powers that be. She has relationships much higher up than you or I could ever imagine. I know as a scientist proof means everything, but these people who run the show will never produce proof of their intentions or the entire agenda gets tossed out the window. They are not scientists! They are conquerors to the highest degree. Sometimes, you just have to have faith! I think Einstein came to this conclusion later in his life. But let’s wait and see! If you can no longer buy multi-vitamins after 12/31/09, then perhaps you will owe everybody an apology or a retraction of your diatribe against Dr. Liebow? In the mean time, Happy New Year in a Codex A. world! I’d learn to fish if I were you and buy heirloom seeds before it’s too late.

82. Sammy - December 31, 2009

Yeah I believe about Dr Rima until i FINALLY saw this. I have been looking everywhere for some legitimate argue that goes against what she says, because in the back of my head i dont feel codex is going to have all of these happen because it will not pass. Then on the other hand, who says codex is taking over dec 31, 09?

83. angryscientist - December 31, 2009

Hey Don, if Dr. Laibow had not claimed that everything she said in that video was documented, I might not have bothered asking her to document some of her outrageous claims! As it turns out, it appears she was merely speculating! If she does have relationships with the powers that be, that would just help confirm my suspicions that she has ulterior motives.

I don’t think I’ll have to apologize. I have a pending order for several supplements from Gary Null. If it doesn’t arrive, I’ll believe Dr. Laibow knew something I didn’t. Until something like that happens, I’ll stick to my skepticism. I reiterate, CODEX is indubitably bad news, and it may well come to the point where Gary Null is put out of business, but there’s no way rBST is going to be mandated for every dairy cow on the planet! What on earth is the point of making such an easily debunked claim, if not to sow doubt of the credibility of the entire alternative health movement? Monsanto might have liked to see that happen, but instead, they sold that part of their business to Eli Lilly! (see the link I posted in comment 58)

84. Sammy - January 1, 2010

Yes im trying to convince my mother your argument because its logical. I dont want to believe codex exists because it just doesnt seem like it will pass.. Honestly not everyone who is an elite is going to see that and think that is a good idea. Some will oppose it! Supposedly yesterday was the start of codex and if you eat in some stores right now you are eating radiated food. But who says that the food is going to be radiated? I havent seen anything saying codex is going to do it. Although they say vitamins and nutrients are toxic. But then again ive been watching the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy show and there is some stone saying they should keep the population under 500,000,000. I forgot who the stone was by but it was some leader or king back in the day i think but you shoud look into it. Codex is only 1/10th of the things that are to come man.

I would like to see you look into martial law in America and complete control of every aspect of our everyday lives!! As well as this being linked to the bible depending on your religion but thats off topic, the bible seems to somehow link to everything happening now. God once carbon tax comes out we will be fucking broke, already taking half off both for taxes and for healthcare, what next? fucking carbon tax? son of a bitch! ill only have like a quarter of my paycheck left, that means if i work for 10$ an hour ill only get 2.50 of it an hour, this government sucks people need to wake up and fucking revolt.

85. Don - January 1, 2010

Perhaps rBST will become mandatory – perhaps it won’t. Again, let time prove Dr. Laibow right or wrong, because I don’t think you are doing a very good job of it. To me, rBST is a non-issue because I don’t eat or drink dairy. It’s not that I am intolerant. It’s just that i read a book called “The China Diet” in which the author concludes that casein protein is probably the worst thing you could ever ingest. So I think that argument is greater than rBST.
Buck back on track, I’m also certain you are aware that with CODEX, if 2 nations have a dispute in world court, the one who practices CODEX is automatically ruled the winner in the dispute. It’s a slow, creepy crawl to the point of world governance where Dr. Laibow may actually prove to be right. After all, if countries are “forced” to participate in this, then certainly it’s only a matter of time before they can dictate all cows get shots. If CODEX =world governance and world governance = control(finance,business, food, etc.) it’s safe to say then that control = CODEX. There isn’t a damn thing you can do to stop bank bailouts and there isn’t a damn thing you can do to stop CODEX! Again let time prove her right or wrong but you should pick up a different cause that is not a conspiracy.

86. Don - January 1, 2010

Also, one other point to make about rBST and Dr. Laibow. In her video, she also claimed that it’s the people who actually have the power. When we, the people, push back against world government measures, the powers that be always take a step back. So it’s the people who will ultimately decide whether or not rBST becomes mandatory. If everybody stops buying rBST milk products, they have to stop mandating it’s use or put dairy farmers out of business. So don’t look too deep into discrediting Dr. Laibow because totally unexpected events always happen at the 11th hour of government.

87. angryscientist - January 2, 2010

It always amuses me when people tell me what I should do with my time. I’ll use my own judgment, thank you. Actually I’m not trying to prove anything here, just to open for discussion this matter of Dr. Laibow’s peculiar habit of making outrageous claims she can’t back up.

Monsanto’s invention to increase milk production is extremely unpopular, and not just overseas. The market has spoken about that already. The trend is for more and more dairy farmers and marketers to boycott it because of popular resistance. That’s why Dr. Laibow’s claim that CODEX will mandate it for every dairy cow on the planet is not just outrageous and baseless, but patently absurd, to the point I have to suspect her of deliberate misinformation. I can’t prove it, but she wouldn’t be the first Trojan Horse to plague the alternative health movement.

totally unexpected events always happen at the 11th hour of government.

Really? Maybe if one is asleep, or trusts the government! Try naming such an event that I didn’t expect. I’ll bet you can’t. Government occasionally surprises me by doing something incredibly stupid, but these usurpations of power are totally predictable. It’s the age old maxim at work, power corrupts.

Sammy, I agree we are overtaxed, but that’s primarily because Uncle Sam is trying to maintain an empire. People should be revolting about that, along with a host of other mostly related abuses of power, but it appears Obama’s victory has eviscerated the antiwar movement. Maybe that was intentional on the part of the powers that be. They can be quite sneaky. However, I think there should be a pollution tax, and as long as carbon dioxide is being generated in quantities that create a greenhouse effect, it’s a pollutant.

88. Wenona - January 4, 2010

Hi, thought someone might be interested in this. I only posted one of the headlines at the link below. Of course, that site doesn’t name names, but Dr. Laibow and her site are guilty of spreading the fake info.

http://www.thenhf.com/press_releases/pr_04_jan_2010.html

Well, December 31, 2009 has come and gone and there is no enactment of Codex “regulations” on dietary supplements into law in the United States.

89. DC Miller - January 11, 2010

the bilderburgs know there is no god(in the sense that religion describes god),there for they know they can be god.and THEY are 1 chess move away from becoming god,its all about control & purpose.THEY have the control and serve up the purpose.there are many things going on right now that can simble THERE GREAT FLOOD or THE GREAT CULLING.i beleave CODEX is at the top of the list.\
but none of it matters.7 billion sheep will never defeat 500 million wolfs.
anyway angry scientist and most of these bloggers are much more inteligent then me.just be glad people like angry scientist are smart anuff to view both sides of the spectrum.

90. DC Miller - January 12, 2010

the slaughter is almost here,Angry scientist i would like you to check out FEMA Detention Centers & the millions of plastic coffins (that can hold 3avg human bodies)stacked within facility.
give me your take.

91. GRACE PAYTON - January 12, 2010

THIS HAS BEEN A SPLITTING OF HAIRS, IN MANY WAYS.
OUR GOV’T HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY THE CORPORATIONS…
CORPORATISM… YOU CAN TELL WHICH OFFICIAL IS BOUGHT BY
WHAT INDUSTRY, BY HOW THEY VOTE ON THE ISSUES. BOTH
MAJOR PARTIES ARE CORRUPT… THE INSURANCE DEBATE IS ALL
SHOW… IN THE END THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL WALK AWAY
WITH THEIR SUBSIDIES… JUST LIKE THE BANKS, AUTO COMPANIES…
AND THE WAR WILL CONTINUE TO SATISFY THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL
COMPLEX AND LAETRILE WILL CONTINUE TO BE ILLEGAL TO SATISFY
THE MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND THE CORPORATIONS GET
RICHER, WHILE THE TRUTH WILL NOT BE REALIZED BY THE SHEEPLE.
IN 2010 & 1012, I WILL BE CAMPAIGNING FOR THE VOTERS TO CHANGE THEIR VOTER REGISTRATION TO THE 3RD PARTY OF THEIR CHOICE. THE ONLY THING OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS CARE ABOUT IS
RE-ELECTION… THEY NEED A WAKE UP CALL. IF THE NUMBERS OF
MILLIONS OF VOTER REGISTRATION CHANGES ARE ANNOUNCED BY
THE CORPORATE MEDIA…LOL… IT WILL REASSUE EVERYONE, THAT
A VOTE FOR A 3RD PARTY WILL NOT BE WASTED. I CAMPAIGNED FOR RON PAUL…. TWICE… IN 1988 AND IN THE 08 PRIMARIES. I’M
A REGISTERED LIBERTARIAN… BUT I HAVE NO LOYALTY TO ANY PARTY. I VOTE MY CONSCIENCE.. OWE MY LOYALTY TO MY COUNTRY
MEN… NOT ANY POLITICAL ENTITY. GRACE2@TAMPABAY.RR.COM

92. DC Miller - January 12, 2010

it’s offical,FLORID is in our drinking water.i called DEER PARK(1-800-288-8281) & was told that a .5L bottle of water contains .11mg of FLORID,this is crazy…FLORID is the #1chemical in rat poision.i drink 2.5L of water a day,thats .55mg of FLORID…0.55 a day X 365 a year
=200.75mg…i mean fuck how much rat poision does it take to kill me

93. angryscientist - January 12, 2010

Fluoride is in my drinking water as well. I don’t drink tap water, partly for that reason. Fluoride is one of those nasty elements that is toxic in all forms, though some forms are more deadly than others.

Our political system is so thoroughly corrupted, it’s hard to imagine how things could be worse, but no doubt they will get worse. However, I’m skeptical that the powers that be are planning mass murder. That may be the inevitable consequence of their actions, but I doubt they realize that, yet. I could be wrong, but unfortunately, since I foresee disasters of many kinds on the horizon due to the consequences of corruption, greed, and sheer lack of foresight, whether these disasters are intended or not will probably turn out to be an academic distinction of no great import.

I don’t think my concern that Dr. Laibow may not be on the level is splitting hairs. The alternative health movement has been plagued by shysters, and I think that’s one reason the powers that be feel free to marginalize it. However, it has been too popular to outlaw outright, at least so far. Gary Null says the Clinton health plan would have done that, and that the implementation of CODEX will force people who want to buy dietary supplements other than low potency vitamins to get a prescription and pay through the nose, and some will probably be outlawed.

94. GRACE PAYTON - January 13, 2010

HEY ANGRY… YOU MAKIN’ YOUR OWN WATER??
THE BOTTLED WATER IS TAKEN (FOR FREE) FROM THE SAME SOURCE
AS OUR TAP WATER. WE HAVE A FILTER IN OUR FRIDGE FOR WATER
AND IT TASTES BETTER… BUT I WONDER IF THERE’S ANY WAY TO
FILTER OUT ALL THE FLORIDE. GREED HAS PROVEN TO BE THE ROOT
OF ALL EVIL. THERE IS NO QUESTION, THAT THE CORPORATIONS HAVE CORRUPTED OUR GOV’T BY BRIBERY…. IT’S NOT MUCH OF A
STRETCH TO BELIEVE, THAT THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO GET
RICH. SPECULATING ABOUT THE MOTIVES OF THOSE WHO KEEP US
AT WAR IS NOT A BAD THING…. I THINK IT’S THE ULTIMATE OF GREED TO WATCH THE HUMAN AND FINANCIAL COSTS OF WAR AND
DISEASE, KNOWING THAT IT COULD BE PREVENTED. I DON’T KNOW HOW THESE PEOPLE SLEEP AT NIGHT… BUT SOME PEOPLE SEEM TO
BE BORN WITH NO CONSCIENCE.

95. angryscientist - January 13, 2010

I’m not making my own water, yet. I’ve read about experiments combining solar with fuel cell technology, where surplus electricity is used to split water, which is then recombined in fuel cells at night to produce electricity. That recombined water would be relatively pure. Some brands of bottled water are just filtered tap water, but not all. Some are distilled, some are supposedly taken from pristine streams, though who knows if any of those are still around. Some streams might be relatively clean, but pollution has contaminated the entire globe.

There are filters that get out all the fluoride, but they’re expensive. As far as I know, reverse osmosis will remove fluoride, but most filters don’t even touch it.

I think our leaders can sleep at night because they are masters of doublethink, so they can convince themselves they’re doing the right thing even though they know deep inside they’re not. I.e. they have a conscience, but they’ve figured out how to subvert it so it doesn’t interfere with their ambitions.

96. DC Miller - January 14, 2010

HAARP strikes again,check out NASA AIM mission,there reserching weird cloud formation way higher then should be & HOLES in the atmosphier,is HAARP having a bad reaction

97. angryscientist - January 14, 2010

Don’t get me started on HAARP. When I was younger, I used to get shocked by scientific hubris and stupidity. Nowadays, I just get angry. Talk about experiments way too dangerous to justify any possible benefits. But these scientists are so sure they know what they’re doing. Trust me, they don’t have a clue. Nikola Tesla, they aren’t.

98. Don - February 2, 2010
LARRY - February 6, 2010

I LIVE IN VOLCAN, REPUBLIC OF PANAMA WERE RIMA IS LIVING. WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE DONATION SCAM GOING ON. WHY ISENT ANYBODY INVESTIGATING THESE PEOPLE? I THOUGHT MABE FOX NEWS WOULD BUT THERE TO BUSY BASHING THE LEFT. NOW THIS IS REAL NEWS AND THERE IS MORE THAT I CAN’T DISCLOSE HERE. SHE HAS GOT HER FOOT IN THE DOOR WITH THIS GOVERNMENT.

99. Don - February 6, 2010

Still don’t believe me? Here is another link for you showing how Codex can work.

http://drugstorenews.com/story.aspx?id=129961&menuid=793

So it’s not too far fetched to believe Codex can be implemented to enforce certain compounds be added or isolated into the food chain. In this case, it may be the 13th hour where the changes take place.

100. Teddy Quinones - February 7, 2010

I believe in Dr. Rima E. Laibow & Dr. Phyllis Mullenix about the report on the Codex Alimentarius 100%.!

-Aspertame
-Antidepressant Pills
-Toothpaste
-Floride in H2O
-Swine Flu 1,2,3 Shots
-Growth Hormones & Antibiotics in Animals & People
-Overpopulation reduced from 6 Billion to 500,000 Million
-A.F.O.
-W.H.O.

101. Don - February 8, 2010

And this just appeared in Canada. Herbals are now being banned! When nothing is left but govt approved multi vitamins, how far down the road could hormones in the food supply be?

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2534645

I do pray you have received your shipments from Gary Null for the screws keep twisting a bit tighter with each passing day, as you can surmise from my posts.

102. angryscientist - February 8, 2010

Hey Don, I’ve said over and over CODEX is big trouble. As long as Big Pharma has such inordinate power, our choices will be limited and increasingly threatened. That has nothing to do with the point of this post, which is to question on whose side this supposed health freedom ally Dr. Rima Laibow really is. I did get my shipment from Gary Null, and find your speculative leaps peculiarly similar to Dr. Laibow’s. I’m a scientist trying to uncover the truth. I’m not speculating about what could happen. It’s obvious the drug industry doesn’t like competition and will do whatever it can to stamp it out. It has a long history of doing just that, and there’s no reason to believe that will change. With corruption everywhere, it’s pretty much up to ordinary people to fight back. Making wildly exaggerated claims is no way to fight effectively; it just gives the powers that be ammunition to discredit their critics.

103. Don - February 9, 2010

Speculating on what will happen is called a hypothesis, Angry! If the noose is tightening as my posts above reflect, then maybe the chain of events will run its course thus bringing to conclusion Dr. Laibow’s claim. See how much has happened since 1/1/10? I’m kind of perplexed that you wont use scientific reasoning to understand that her claim could happen, because the truth might not reveal itself today or tomorrow but down the road a ways. It’s kind of like the govt taking your rights away. They won’t do it all at once because that would rock the boat. “Incrementally: is the game these people have been playing for generations, and that, my friend, is the truth!

104. angryscientist - February 9, 2010

Her claim could happen? Which one? Yeah, the moon could crash into the Earth too. Her claim that CODEX will mandate every dairy cow on the planet be dosed with rBST is about as likely as that.

Also, Dr. Laibow said she wasn’t speculating, that she had documentation for everything she said. I asked to see that documentation and got the runaround, along with various snide insults. Why?

105. angryscientist - February 9, 2010

Columnist Margaret Wente of the Toronto Globe and Mail wrote an editorial last Friday called The great global warming collapse, about how the credibility of the global warming movement has been greatly impaired.

None of this is to say that global warming isn’t real, or that human activity doesn’t play a role, or that the IPCC is entirely wrong, or that measures to curb greenhouse-gas emissions aren’t valid. But the strategy pursued by activists (including scientists who have crossed the line into advocacy) has turned out to be fatally flawed.

By exaggerating the certainties, papering over the gaps, demonizing the skeptics and peddling tales of imminent catastrophe, they’ve discredited the entire climate-change movement.

I think that goes a bit too far, but the point she’s making could apply just as well to Dr. Laibow, who has been doing all of those things. That strategy is either fatally flawed, or deliberate sabotage, the strategy of a Trojan Horse.

106. Tiago Villas-Bôas de Jesus - February 23, 2010

Thank you for this effort of shining light over this issues.

I found it a bit outrageous too, and then I stumbled here…

All conspiracy theory has some ghostly true behind it, but the exaggeration in all this field serves to harm it’s on credibility. In days of information revolution that we live in, we need more people like you.

So, Thank you my brother.

I see you. I love you. I’m another you.

Let us all unite as brothers that we are, in light of the truth, the love and oness.

Best regards from Brasil!

107. DC Miller - February 24, 2010

do u all not watch the half truth news.WAKE UP PEOPLE.you all are watchin miss Laibow& excpecting 3 billion people to die the next day.CODEX is a slow kill method,the same as fluried in our water,the fluried in your water takes 10 years to give you scrousis of the bones.i dont know the time line for death by malnutrition but im sure its not the next day.im ah damn democrate & can still see that were about to be communist.freedom is gone people,and agenda 21 is in full effect.
POPULATION CONTROL,(WHO WAS THAT 1 REALLY SMART GUY THAT SAID:He who controls the food,CONTROLS THE WORLD)
GAME OVER

108. Vaarun - March 12, 2010

I think the idea behind Ms. Rima’s comment is simple, is to place the fake priest in our temple.
It is a very old imperial trick.

It is the dummy who will lead the opposition to no where.

or

One of their own ship they will sink to cause…

There are traces of truth here, but the idea is to exaggerate and link the truth to lies, and eventually to sabotage the truth.

And the truth is that the world is becoming more greedy for wealth and power and less aware of the fact that as humans, we are a part of this nature that we are destroying.

Lets work towards creating balance and understanding!

109. The Raytownian - May 9, 2010

This was a great read, thanks. Very enlightening.

I can recall having first heard about “CODEX” a couple of years ago and being completely shocked by the allegations made by Dr. Laibow.

I have to admit, I was one of those people who bought into the scare tactics, but, eventually, stopped even worrying about it after a while.

Then, just a day or two ago, I get something from Care2 (God, how do I stop the incessant emails?) about the CODEX problem I’d practically forgotten about, so I read it and see a bunch of hard-to-believe claims that I’m embarrassed to realize I didn’t have the sense to question just about two years prior.

Well, some Googling on the validity of these claims brought me here, and now I have a hard time knowing what to think.

At this point, I am very suspicious of Dr. Laibow’s motives, but I’ve got no clue what they could be (surely a simple “get-rich-quick” scheme would not be THIS utterly convoluted).

All the same, it’s really a shame when people dash their credibility with BS, regardless of their intentions… especially if they take naive young suckers like me along, not that I’ve ever sent them my money!

110. angryscientist - May 10, 2010

I’m curious, what did Care2 say about CODEX?

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112. navh2000 - September 19, 2010

I say John Hammell is right. This throwing of non-fact is not helping the cause. Fighting CODEX AT CODEX will not work. It is an elaborate diversion. Regional harmony is the facts. We as people are losing our ability to govern threw the lose of God-given rights of freedom (common law of the land.) We have systematically given almost all rights away; legal law, statutes, treaties, and acts have replaced them. Now we have all been trained to accept the rule of law as seen by the courts. As courts only recognize corporate legal law, not common law we’re in a pickle. Thru legal law it’s simple for corporations to pay Governments to enact favorable laws, and if they can’t, treaties take care of that. To argue what or what not, is futile as once CODEX is in law we are now on the ride wherever it goes. The key is to stand up for your personal rights, police or sheriff’s rights, state or provincial rights, now. I see a day when my smokes are legal and my vegetable garden illegal and with that, it would be difficult not to throw wild theories around. Simply said responsible people just don’t say things like that, they are not a known fact. Intelligent one’s do because they are provocateurs, disinformation, credibility losing shrills.

113. Ricky - October 23, 2010

YES, she is absolutely true, because you can prove Codex and her statements are real. Go to govtrack.us and search HR. 2749 and S. 510 (Senate Bill S. 510). In her video Dr. Laibow claims that Codex will be mandatory on December 31, 2009. First-the bill was presented on March 3, 2009, before December 31, 2009, but that’s not the kicker. In H.R. 2749 it actually sets December 31, 2009, and S. 510 also mentions CODEX ALIMENTARIUS by name. It also leaves it up to the Secretary of Health and Human and Secretary of Agriculture to set requirements on farms. Taking into account the recent approval of Genetically Modified Salmon, and the use of GMO corn, soy, cotton, papaya, pigs, etc. they will most likely become standard or MANDATORY (Vilsack used to head Monsanto, a pesticide giant). If you want to see what will happen, look at how vitamins of higher strength are illegal (like Heroine) in Norway and Germany, and in Canada a new bill threatens farms and puts many herbs out of reach to consumers. Wake up!!!

114. angryscientist - October 25, 2010

Your post is littered with factual errors, Ricky, like your heroine. Vilsack was Governor of Iowa. He has never been head of Monsanto, to my knowledge, though he has been very supportive of Monsanto, one reason health activists opposed his appointment to be Secretary of Agriculture. Spreading exaggerated rumors won’t help people wake up. They hear Dr. Laibow making outrageous claims as I’ve cited and figure, another alarmist nut who can’t back up what she’s yelling about, so there must be nothing to worry about. Is that her agenda?

You’re aware that alleged deadline for CODEX is long past? What happened? I’m not saying CODEX will never be implemented, but it isn’t going to do all the things Dr. Laibow claims, only some of them, so her exaggerations are more likely to lull people to sleep than to wake them up. It just isn’t helpful to overstate one’s case. That makes Dr. Laibow sound too much like the boy who cried wolf.

115. Dirk - January 7, 2011

Perhaps what she said is an exaggeration, of course. But what if her predictions are true? If she is vindicated by reality, will you believe her then, even though she may have been exaggerating at first?

CODEX is dangerous and should be disbanded, end of story.

116. angryscientist - January 7, 2011

You’re missing my point. I agree CODEX is dangerous and has no place in a free society. However, when someone who claims to be an expert makes a fool of herself with obvious exaggerations and misstatements of fact, it makes it that much harder for honest activists to do anything about CODEX.

I tried giving Dr. Laibow the benefit of the doubt, but when her minions blew me off, I figured that vindicated my concerns. There was no good reason for them to blow me off that way, unless they had something to hide.

BR - June 17, 2011

If you are truely a scientist than do your own studies
and stop accusing others of blowing you off. You will never know the truth until you do the work yourself.

Why don’t you question te authors of CODEX. Dr. Laibow is a Dr. Who are you? Is she the only one out there for you to pick on.

angryscientist - June 20, 2011

BR, do you consider yourself qualified to make an intelligent comment about this? If you are, you’ll have to try harder, because your comments are nonsensical (the other is a reply to comment 32). Read something else on the blog before you assume I have nobody else to :”pick on.” I’m not nitpicking about this. From my research, not to mention that of other commenters, I think Rima Laibow has a lot to hide, an agent provocateur out to discredit the movement she seeks to throw off the track. This is my opinion; I don’t have enough evidence to claim proof, but I think I have plenty of reasons to be suspicious of her motives and misinformation.

117. papo1957 - January 9, 2011

The truth hurts! I’m tall because I drank whole milk with cereal & ate it 2 or 3 times a day everyday for a couple of years. I’ve gotten taller! That’s why. CODEX or other Pharmacidacals are just making $$$$$$$$$ through disease & no cure. It’s a $$$$$$$$$ industry if there is a cure & the Federal Gov’t would want the whole piece of the pie!!! Wickedness in higher places in the real world.

118. BR - June 20, 2011

BR

Angry Scientist. I hve been a federal gov’t food processing specialist for 10 years andwell qualified in fo additives and CODEX. We ae told that this info comes from the experts

there is alot of red tape to get through once there they tend to baffel you with bull shit and quote reports and studies they did not do themselves or were not verifed. they all seem like they are hiding some thing

you want safe food ten you have to pick it, pluck it or slaughter it your self and the only additves you need are salt and pepper. Everyone wants fast cheap food and there will always be a price for that

119. angryscientist - June 21, 2011

Well, considering Michael Taylor, ex Monsanto bigwig, has been appointed by Obama to be in charge of food safety, I’d tend to agree with your assessment. The faces may be different, but it looks like Obama’s changes are mostly superficial, never intended to disrupt business as usual. Monsanto is notorious for hiding the results of its own studies, let alone stifling independent research on its products. So yeah, I’d agree the “experts” in charge of food safety are hiding plenty. The point of this blog entry, however, is whether food safety and health freedom champion Rima Laibow is what she claims to be.

Not everyone wants fast cheap food. I have major problems with allergies and chemical sensitivity. I avoid fast cheap food like the plague, and there are many others who prefer organic food, and many more who would buy organic food if they could afford it. For me, the price of fast cheap food is way too high, since all it would take is one anaphylactic reaction to one of Monsanto’s inventions to put me six feet underground. Not to mention what industrial agriculture is doing to destroy biodiversity and otherwise poison the planet.

BR - June 22, 2011

I believe wht Dr. Rima is saying. She is coming across hidden secrets through her priviledged cntacts that aren’t going o be in any reports or news articles. She is bringing our awareness to the matter and its up to us individually to decide for ourselves.
If she has hidden agendas then it wll eventually blow up in her face. That will be r problem.
The bigger question is whether or not Obama, CODEX, and so called goverment regulation are what tey claim to be. eing a gov’t employee I can tell you theyare not.
They have much more frightening hidden agendas that mabe you don’t or can’t bring yourself to believe.
Being preoccupied with Rima is missing the bigger picture. Perhaps reading a book or two by David Icke might help connect the dots and paint a clearer picture of what is really going on behind the scenes.

BR

BR - June 22, 2011

Here is an exerpt from David Icke’s web site.

The David Icke Guide to the Global Conspiracy investigates and examines many subjects and aspects of the “conspiracy” and “connects the dots”. The picture that appears once you understand how it all fits together is astounding. This is the book that will wake up the masses and reveal at last in an undeniable way the incredible level of control a covert and evil controlling force has had over humanity for thousands of years. It shows how they manipulate your reality using advanced but hidden knowledge so you are little more that slaves who think you’re free and are are doing exactly what you’re covertly told to.

120. angryscientist - June 22, 2011

The bigger question is whether or not Obama, CODEX, and so called goverment regulation are what tey claim to be.

See, to me that isn’t even a question. It’s too obvious they are not. If any of those were actually devoted to scientific integrity, nuclear power would never have gotten off the ground, nor genetic engineering, nor the Green Revolution, on and on ad nauseum. The abuse of science and language is what this blog is all about. If I didn’t have to work full time, I could write reams about it. As it is, I have to pick my battles. You may wonder why I picked on Dr. Laibow. I did that because I heard her outlandish claims and smelled a rat. I happen to care about the credibility of the alternative health movement, and I think she is damaging that credibility, intentionally and maliciously. Would you mind explaining to me how you can believe any of this?

Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone. Furthermore, under CODEX, every animal used for food on the planet, whether it has fins, feet, or feathers, every animal on the planet must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics, must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics and must be treated with exogenous growth hormones. CODEX requires, mandates, that all food be irradiated, unless it’s eaten locally and raw. All food, including organic food, of course.

Supposedly Europe is way ahead of this country in conforming to CODEX. Yet Europe is doing none of this, and to all appearances is moving in the opposite direction, despite the fact it has adopted severe restrictions on the availability of vitamins and supplements, which many in the alternative health movement predicted long ago, not just Dr. Laibow.

I asked for evidence to back up those claims. What did I get? The runaround, along with gratuitous insults, similar to your initial comments to me, and finally some legal gibberish from her attorney. I still smell a rat. That doesn’t imply I give the government one iota of credibility more than I give Dr. Laibow, which is to say, I find them both disingenuous in the extreme. Unfortunately the dishonesty of the people in power goes way beyond an annoyance; it’s extremely dangerous to the public health, myself included, despite the extraordinary care I might take to protect my health. I decided to call out Dr. Laibow because it appears to me her malarkey makes it that much harder for the alternative health movement to fight what the government is up to.

121. BR - June 23, 2011

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The only thing I believe about anything is that you can not trust anyone especialy the gov’t. They are all liars, liars, liars.
Rima is not th only one talking abut all the so called hidden BS going on. Who knows what is really in the animal medicated feeds and vaccines including human vaccines. Unless you take it to the lab an have it analyzed yourself they can print anything on the label. I am growing my own organic garden and raisng my own poultry and plan on getting a milking cow and my wild life huntg licsence.
I believe Rima is exposing BS behind the scenes but exactly what and who no one can be sure. I trust no one. I have found that 99.9 percnt of every human being on the planet is either a liar or misinformed.
Its hard to go it alone but I have more confidence it what I can see with my own 2 eyes. The whole world is nuts and I’m going to do what I can to be self sufficient.
I like David Icke because as incredible as his claims ar he provides 20 years of personal research, interviews with experts and documentation to backp what he says and that is the people “in carge are all liars and they are screwin us big time.”
His latest book is titled “Human Race Get Off Your Knees”
I suggest you read it.He is aware of Rima and agrees wth her and actually says alot worse with proof and references.

BR

122. angryscientist - June 24, 2011

OK, I give up. You’re as slippery as Dr. Laibow. I guess answering my questions is too much to expect.

We’re all misinformed, BR. How could anyone avoid that? There is no perfect source of information, no infallible theory, nobody who knows everything about anything. There are some people who seem to be immune to conflicts of interest, but I’d never expect that of anyone in government. Power corrupts.

123. BR - June 24, 2011

OK, I give up. You’re as slippery as Dr. Laibow. I guess answering my questions is too much to expect.

Good, I’m glad you give up.I am tired of you arronant and ignorant comments blaming everyone but your self for you inabilty to see the obvious.

I have aswered to the best of my ability, better than anyone else on this useless forum where its obviuos no one will get the witten “PROOF OF ACCURACY” from Rima. You won’t get it from anyone else either so you will have to learn to live with that.

I’m not slipery I jstknow thelimitatins and put together allthe other rports and investgatis

124. angryscientist - June 24, 2011

Project much, BR? If that’s what you call answering to the best of your ability, it figures. You answered nothing, just like your hero. I can only surmise you have no answer, so you bluster and pontificate about my arrogance and ignorance. Look in the mirror. Dr. Laibow claimed, “Everything I’m going to tell you is documented.” Why is asking for that documentation unreasonable? I’ve seen nothing but evasion and insults. That’s what people do when their bluffs are called. There is no documentation for these claims I disputed, which are just wildly hyperbolic extrapolations to scare people into sending her money.

125. BR - June 24, 2011

I’m sure you haven’t contributed a penny of your money.
She is not my hero. Others that are my hero like David Icke, support her claims. I told you that he has many answers, yet you’d rather waste your time putting me down then looking into other credible information that is claiming the same thing.
just because you were unsuccessful in obtaining documentation I am sure it exists and will surface.
You’re interest lies in making yourself seem somehow superior, important and intelligent which you clearly are not.
I won’t waste anymore of my time reading your juvenile, petty response.

126. dc122112 - June 25, 2011

angryscientist do your own home work man,mrs.Laibow is the truth,& when codex is fully implamented in the US,you will see-how good all the gmo’s & slow kill poisions are for u,theres been 2 top scientist that have put out papers saying if we keep up with the gmos,we will be exstenct in 100 years ,google it it made news papers bout a year aho

127. angryscientist - June 26, 2011

Interesting how the defenders of Dr. Laibow assume I couldn’t possibly have done my homework, yet they refuse to provide any documentation, merely assure me it must exist. Blind faith doesn’t prove anything.

It’s characteristic of a good agent provocateur to mix truth in with the distortions and exaggerations. That makes it hard to pin down what her motives really are. The last commenter seems to assume I’m unconcerned about CODEX, just like Dr. Laibow’s staffer who initially responded to my challenge. I guess dc122112 couldn’t be bothered to read what I’ve written here, so instead I get accused of being naive and not doing my homework.

Does David Icke support the specific claims I challenged? I’d like to see his documentation for those, but somehow I doubt that’s in any of his books. I challenge anybody to come up with some evidence for those specific claims. If CODEX were going to mandate rBGH for all dairy cows on the planet, why would Monsanto sell such a cash cow? Is Monsanto out of the loop? Why would they shun such a huge market? Because the market for rBGH has collapsed, and CODEX isn’t going to revive it.

128. angryscientist - June 26, 2011

I decided to quote from an actual CODEX document , which was on the list of CODEX documents posted by killmicrosoft at the David Icke forum, in a response to a poster there sounding the alarm about CODEX. Nothing in the CODEX GENERAL STANDARD FOR THE USE OF DAIRY TERMS said anything about hormones.

GENERAL STANDARD FOR IRRADIATED FOODS
CODEX STAN 106-1983, REV.1-2003

4. TECHNOLOGICAL REQUIREMENTS
4.1 General Requirement
The irradiation of food is justified only when it fulfils a technological requirement and/or is beneficial for the protection of consumer health. It should not be used as a substitute for good hygienic and good manufacturing practices or good agricultural practices.

7. LABELLING
7.1 Inventory Control
For irradiated foods, whether prepackaged or not, the relevant shipping documents shall give appropriate information to identify the registered facility which has irradiated the food, the date(s) of treatment, irradiation dose and lot identification.
7.2 Prepackaged Foods Intended for Direct Consumption
The labelling of prepackaged irradiated foods should indicate the treatment and in all aspects should be in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Codex General Standard for the Labelling of Prepackaged Foods (CODEX STAN 1-1985, Rev.2-1999).
7.3 Foods in Bulk Containers
The declaration of the fact of irradiation should be made clear on the relevant shipping documents. In the case of products sold in bulk to the ultimate consumer, the international logo and the words “irradiated” or “treated with ionizing radiation” should appear together with the name of the product on the container in which products are placed.

End of document, end of story. This is a far cry from what Dr. Laibow claims, a mandate to irradiate all food, unless eaten locally and raw, and strangely she didn’t mention this would be labelled, which is opposed by the irradiation industry, so I thought. Curiously, the Organic Consumers Association document, History, Background and Status of Labeling of Irradiated Foods was concerned that CODEX would weaken its labelling requirements to match the US standards.

There was nothing in the CODEX documents to back up what Dr. Laibow claims when I first looked into this, and there’s nothing there now. Her lawyer made the argument that what CODEX permits has a funny way of becoming mandatory. That’s not what I call documentation of unconditional across the board mandates such as Dr. Laibow claims CODEX intends. It’s conceivable that CODEX wanted to mandate Monsanto’s growth hormone for every dairy cow on the planet, but the market has spoken, so maybe they just gave up on that, huh? I wasn’t born yesterday, contrary to what some have implied, and I’ve done plenty of homework. Enough to know when someone’s trying to pull off a snow job.

Curiously, another David Icke forum CODEX agitator had a different version of the dairy requirement, and complained that discussion on the forum about CODEX was dead! If David Icke has been ardently supporting Dr. Laibow’s claims about CODEX, why would that be? Could it be people there weren’t interested in discussing obvious exaggerations?

merlincove
22-11-2009, 03:55 AM
Under Codex, every dairy animal can be treated with growth hormone, and all animals in the food chain will be treated with sub-clinical levels of antibiotics. Codex will lead to the required irradiation of all foods with the exception of those grown locally and sold raw.

This codex stuff is a real issue, and yet any discussion of it in the threads is dead.

Is this another case of can creeping into will?

129. DC122112 - June 26, 2011

it all comes down to if you beleave there is a small group of elite that control every aspect of the world-who push population control with the end game being mass genaside through eugenics.If you dont beleave that then your 1 argument is show me the “DOCUMENT” as if there is 1 piece of paper with all the elites signatures & a UN stamp saying we are going to kill 80% of humans.unfortunatly for all of us its not that easy.you have to read these elites books & papers on agendas,they all beleave the world is over populated(& please dont say “it is over populated”cause thats bull shit,they pack us in these citys to make it appear that way.)They all pramote eugenics.so its a body of work they wrote ,that has to be put together,not 1 singal piece of “offical”paper saying what there doing,you come of to me as an inteligent man angryscientist,far more inteligent than a prison G.E.D. having person like myself,so i find it very hard to beleave that you cant put the pieces of this puzzle together.So i figure its either denile or your a globalist

130. DC122112 - June 26, 2011

“so much hate in the heart,that the mind cant see/now blind thoughts leave the mouth & the words are key/propaganda speak,in this land of sheep/herd the nations-revalations,but were not the meek/still in god we seek/while in evil THEY trust/total control is what THEY lust,the world is never anuff/& THEY aint never giving up-so brother never give up/sleeping beutied all my people,man you gotta wake up/snooze snooze-snooze snooze/1 more snooze & we lose/genaside-eugenics-i call it eugenaside/babys die-a mother crys,elites is lafting inside/over half of blacks aborted,yall aint asking um why/instead you rather watch the movie,its no longer read the book/a minds a terrable thing to waist,but even worst when it gets took/if you’d only stop to look,at the frog in the pot/slowly raising up the nobb intill its boiling hot/ahhh as i scream at the top of my lungs/its like im speaking forign tongues-cant yall see that we done/on the run from the prosecution,they prostituting out the constitution/free speach zones-our rights been ruined/so what the fuck are you doing,its problem-reaction-solution/get the fuck up off the stuip & lets start the revalution”
by Daniel Miller aka DC aka LiL Yongin

131. DC122112 - June 26, 2011

Roundup: Birth Defects Caused By World’s Top-Selling Weedkiller, Scientists Say

132. DC122112 - June 26, 2011

WASHINGTON — The chemical at the heart of the planet’s most widely used herbicide — Roundup weedkiller, used in farms and gardens across the U.S. — is coming under more intense scrutiny following the release of a new report calling for a heightened regulatory response around its use.

Critics have argued for decades that glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup and other herbicides used around the globe, poses a serious threat to public health. Industry regulators, however, appear to have consistently overlooked their concerns.

A comprehensive review of existing data released this month by Earth Open Source, an organization that uses open-source collaboration to advance sustainable food production, suggests that industry regulators in Europe have known for years that glyphosate, originally introduced by American agricultural biotechnology giant Monsanto in 1976, causes birth defects in the embryos of laboratory animals.

Founded in 2009, Earth Open Source is a non-profit organisation incorporated in the U.K. but international in scope. Its three directors, specializing in business, technology and genetic engineering, work pro-bono along with a handful of young volunteers. Partnering with half a dozen international scientists and researchers, the group drew its conclusions in part from studies conducted in a number of locations, including Argentina, Brazil, France and the United States.

Earth Open Source’s study is only the latest report to question the safety of glyphosate, which is the top-ranked herbicide used in the United States. Exact figures are hard to come by because the U.S. Department of Agriculture stopped updating its pesticide use database in 2008. The EPA estimates that the agricultural market used 180 to 185 million pounds of glyphosate between 2006 and 2007, while the non-agricultural market used 8 to 11 million pounds between 2005 and 2007, according to its Pesticide Industry Sales & Usage Report for 2006-2007 published in February, 2011.

The Earth Open Source study also reports that by 1993 the herbicide industry, including Monsanto, knew that visceral anomalies such as dilation of the heart could occur in rabbits at low and medium-sized doses. The report further suggests that since 2002, regulators with the European Commission have known that glyphosate causes developmental malformations in lab animals.

Even so, the commission’s health and consumer division published a final review report of glyphosate in 2002 that approved its use in Europe for the next 10 years.

133. DC122112 - June 26, 2011

Webster Tarpley & Elite’s Plan for Global Extermination

134. DC122112 - June 26, 2011

In this interview, Dr. Tarpley reviews the writings of John P. Holdren, the current White House science advisor. This interview conclusively exposes scientific elite’s true agenda, world-wide genocide and the formation of a global government to rule.

Historian and author Webster Tarpley exposes how White House science czar John P. Holdren, who infamously co-wrote a 1977 textbook in which he advocated the formation of a “planetary regime” that would use a “global police force” to enforce totalitarian measures of population control, including forced abortions, mass sterilization programs conducted via the food and water supply, as well as mandatory bodily implants that would prevent couples from having children, is a Malthusian fanatic in the tradition of the arcane anti-human ideology that originated amongst British aristocracy in the 19th century.

Holdren calls himself a “neo-Malthusian” in his own book, and as Tarpley explains, is a historical pessimist who has rejected the idea that America and humanity as a whole can progress through ingenuity, industry and economic growth. Instead, Holdren sees humankind as a cancer upon the earth. Holdren wants to set up a “Science Court,” where potential developments could be blocked by government decree if they don’t conform to the planned society necessary under Holdren’s “planetary regime”. He also seeks to institute “de-development” worldwide to prevent the third world from ever lifting itself out of poverty and roll things back to “pre-industrial civilization” where average life spans would not be much more than 30 years.

Holdren’s co-author, Paul Ehrlich, is a discredited crank who wrote books in the 70’s claiming that England would not exist as a land mass by the year 2000 because of climate change. As Tarpley explains, Ehrlich’s warning of a “population bomb” has proven incorrect, with population in Europe, Japan and the United States falling when immigration is removed from the equation.

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Holdren’s limit for global population is set at 1 billion people, meaning that under his program nearly 6 billion people would have to be wiped off the planet in one way or another.

Tarpley emphasizes how Holdren advocates “triaging” entire countries like India and Bangladesh, consigning them to doom by suddenly withdrawing all aid, an act of indirect genocide that would outstrip Adolf Hitler’s body count in terms of numbers alone. This is a man who acts as a government science czar with executive powers under a supposedly “liberal” administration.

This is a pivotal interview in which Tarpley pores over the information contained in Ecoscience at a level of detail never previously documented, to warn how the mind set that Holdren imbues, which is shared by almost all the top elitists running our world, poses a direct threat to our very survival in the 21st century.

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135. DC122112 - June 26, 2011

Food: The Ultimate Secret Exposed

Alex Jones & Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
July 29, 2010

The grocery store, along with your kitchen sink, are two of the most dangerous places in the world.

In a special video, Alex Jones addresses one of the darkest modes of power the globalists have used to control the population– food. The adulteration of the planet’s staple crops, genetically-altered species and intentionally-altered water, food and air all amount to a Eugenics operation to weaken the masses and achieve full spectrum domination.

PART 1/2

People the world over, but especially in the United States are under chemical attack. Deadly and dangerous toxins ranging from Aspartame to Fluoride, GMO, Mercury-tainting, pesticides, cross-species chimeras, plastic compounds in chicken, high fructose corn syrup, cloned meat, rBGH and new aggressive GM species of salmon have all entered into our diets and environments– whether we want it or not.

PART 2/2

Many of these substances knowingly cause or are linked with sterility, low birth weight, miscarriages, smaller or deformed offspring, as well as organ failure, cancer, brain tumors and Death itself, what you DON’T know about on your grocery shelves can hurt you. Further, Alex demonstrates that a pattern of buried studies, fraudulent statistics and a will reduce global population all point to the deliberate criminal poisoning of the food and water supply.

Suffer no fools if those you show refuse to believe what is going on. Instead, research these important areas for yourself, and warn those you love about need to stop their food from being used as a Depopulation-weapon against us all. Please share this important video with everyone, so the truth about these substances can be known.

136. angryscientist - June 27, 2011

You know, if the Big Plan is eugenics, the planners are really stupid, because all the crap that’s going down is going to get them too. They may believe high-tech expensive medicine will save them, but cancer doesn’t care about the size of one’s bank account. Nor do “natural” disasters (I think most of the worst disasters to come won’t be natural at all, but will be due to human intervention).

Nice try, but none of that is evidence for the specific claims I wrote this entry to challenge.

GMO salmon has not yet gotten out of the laboratory, though the regulators are probably going to approve it soon. It has some not insignificant opposition in Congress. One determined foe is Republican Representative from Alaska Don Young. He likes Alaska’s wild salmon and doesn’t want anything to endanger it.

India could get along quite well without our aid, thank you. They own a big chunk of US debt, and they would have been better off without double-edged swords like the Green Revolution and its successor, biotechnology. Since when does a science czar make decisions about foreign aid, anyway?

Same old shit, if I don’t exhibit the proper blind faith, I must be in denial or a globalist. Spare me your unfounded assumptions about why I’d choose to challenge lunacy. The powers that be are diabolical, given, but some of those who purport to challenge them are not what they want to appear to be.

137. angryscientist - June 27, 2011

A cursory search on Holdren Malthusian turns up a bunch of loons who don’t believe climate change is a problem, for instance this top result:

John Holdren: White House Malthusian

by Robert Bradley Jr.
March 3, 2011

If there is one quotation by Obama’s new science advisor that every American should hear, it is this:

A massive campaign must be launched to restore a high-quality environment in North America and to de-develop the United States. . . . Resources and energy must be diverted from frivolous and wasteful uses in overdeveloped countries to filling the genuine needs of underdeveloped countries. This effort must be largely political (italics added).

– John Holdren, Anne Ehrlich, and Paul Ehrlich, Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions (San Francisco; W.H. Freeman and Company, 1973), p. 279.

Bradley is horrified by this scenario. I wonder why. Maybe he has blind faith in the power of technology to solve all our problems, or maybe he doesn’t think the US has to do anything about its conspicuous overconsumption of resources and energy. He does appear to be an acolyte of Ayn Rand, and his blog is subtitled “A free-market energy blog.”

138. DC122112 - June 28, 2011

“STATE DEPARTMENT MEMORANDUM 200″
There you go,your 1 paper

139. angryscientist - June 28, 2011

I presume you’re referring to this National Security Study Memorandum 200 (NSSM 200) – April 1974
Did you read this document? I read some of it. I don’t know what you think it proves. Here’s an excerpt from the cover letter:

(c) Increased assistance for family planning services, information and technology. This is a vital aspect of any world population program. (1) Family planning information and materials based on present technology should be made fully available as rapidly as possible to the 85% of the populations in key LDCs not now reached, essentially rural poor who have the highest fertility. (2) Fundamental and developmental research should be expanded, aimed at simple, low-cost, effective, safe, long-lasting and acceptable methods of fertility control. Support by all federal agencies for biomedical research in this field should be increased by $60 million annually.
(d) Creating conditions conducive to fertility decline. For its own merits and consistent with the recommendations of the World Population Plan of Action, priority should be given in the general aid program to selective development policies in sectors offering the greatest promise of increased motivation for smaller family size. In many cases pilot programs and experimental research will be needed as guidance for later efforts on a larger scale. The preferential sectors include:

Providing minimal levels of education, especially for women;
Reducing infant mortality, including through simple low-cost health care networks;
Expanding wage employment, especially for women;
Developing alternatives to children as a source of old age security;
Increasing income of the poorest, especially in rural areas, including providing privately owned farms;
Education of new generations on the desirability of smaller families.

Golly, what a horrendous agenda! You call this eugenics? Maybe you can find another section of the document that proves your point, because this sounds pretty sensible to me!

Yeah, I know. This is just highbrow rhetoric covering up the real agenda, right?

For the record, I don’t doubt there are people keen on eugenics, probably with genetic engineering to produce a “superior” breed of humans. I also believe mad scientists have way too much influence and freedom to pursue their mad schemes. However, I don’t think this particular document proves anything about any eugenics program, and it certainly isn’t evidence for the specific claims by Dr. Laibow I’m challenging here.

140. Lynn - July 12, 2011

Dr. Rima is NOT doing all this for money. She is doing it so that she can do what she needs to do to stop the Codex from becoming law and making nutrients illegal. She goes to D.C when she can to talk to people and has lawyers write up bills or re-write bills to try to get passed instead of the ones written by people who have no idea what they are writing or what the consequences of the bill will be. I believe it’s better to have someone like her do this instead of someone with no knowledge of what they are doing. If you agree that Codex is a bad thing, then why not do some research and find the answers you are looking for instead of trying to disprove Dr. Rima. I’m sure that she will give you the answers you are looking for when she has the time. Just do some reading about what she does and put yourself in her place. How much time do you think you would have to answer e-mails? You may not agree with everything she says or does, but she is one of very few who is actively trying to help people in every way that she can and for that she should be commended at the very least. We need more people like her

141. angryscientist - July 14, 2011

Humbug. Did you notice this entry is nearly three years old? I did plenty of research. I pay attention to others who know about CODEX and what it will really do. There is no documentation for the claims I’m disputing. Nobody can find any, yet some blithely assure me I’ll find it if I look for it. The responses I did get from her people were full of evasion and insulted my intelligence, as if I’m some ignoramus who thinks CODEX is a good thing. You just did much the same thing. What am I supposed to think of people who are so sure I must be the one who hasn’t done his homework?

Don’t you apologists for Dr. Laibow get it? When someone like her who professes to be an expert employs scare tactics, saying things like this that are obviously made up or grossly exaggerated, why would anyone believe anything she says, even if some of it happens to be true? This taints the credibility of anyone who opposes CODEX. Based on the obfuscation I got in response to a sincere journalistic request for documentation, I think I have reason to believe that’s her intention.

142. donnasalvini - August 9, 2011

Hmmm, it really doesn’t matter does it? Because the US has absolutely NO business having any involvement with Codex. In fact pretty much NO one who knows anything about nutrition, food, and freedom wants us to have anything to do with Codex. And population control. Give me a break. Re read exactly the excerpt you chose. It is clearly laying out the identical agenda all of the elite globalist have laid out for basically killing us off. You know it too. So why all the fuss? They come in, they vaccinate, leave people sterile, flood their lands with GE crops, make giant seed banks hidden away… What are we? Idiots? There’s Science. And there’s common sense. You would have to have none to miss the true mission of Codex (or the WTO or the UN, etc. in general.) Post may be a couple of years old, but we are a couple of years wiser. :-) Especially relevant given the supplement illegality now present in England BTW.

143. angryscientist - August 9, 2011

I hate repeating myself, but this bears repetition:

You know, if the Big Plan is eugenics, the planners are really stupid, because all the crap that’s going down is going to get them too.

The elites aren’t as smart as they, or you, think they are. They have a death wish. In other words, they created a culture that worships death. Unless they are stopped, and fast, they will get their wish, and most life on earth will go extinct. The earth can take a lot of abuse, but its hospitality to life has its limits, and humanity is really pushing hard on that envelope.

144. Aldo Apache - August 23, 2011

angryscientist, I didn’t read everything cause my english sucks and because the discussion and the arcticle are too long.
anyways, I can see you are really compromised with truth and real information. keep up.
good luck!

145. isaiah taylor - October 19, 2011

Yall so stupid I bet you see now its 2011 n that all she was talking boutique is in effect all genetically modified food. No vitamins or nutrients all poison

146. angryscientist - October 25, 2011

Yeah, I’m so stupid I don’t understand your word usage, Mr. Taylor. But I’ll hazard a guess you’re another who totally missed the point of this blog entry.

DC122112 - October 26, 2011

thats because the entire point of your blog-is to cry abut how Dr Laibow’s “PEOPLE” , not Dr Laibow but her people-were rud to you.Grow the $#@! up,if Hitler told you 2+2=4 in a rud way,it dosent dispute the fact that 2+2=4,& for every one else thats waisted 2 years on angryscientist propaganda-know this-he is not stupied ,there for I have to believe he is cointellpro…so my last question to you on your blog-is how much do THEY pay to write blogs descrediting truth?

147. angryscientist - October 26, 2011

You think I’m concerned about rudeness? What a euphemism that is. Dr. Laibow hid behind her people because she doesn’t have the ability or nerve to explain her gross exaggerations. I’m concerned about what I see as deliberate misrepresentation of what CODEX will do. That was the point of my post. I’m a scientist, and nobody ever paid me anything for this blog. Do you think all the other people who made observations criticizing Dr. Laibow are also COINTELPRO propagandists? Wake up, fool. You’ve been conned. To exaggerate the threat posed by CODEX is to distract people from what it will actually do, not to mention to make it easy for government bureaucrats to discredit those who are legitimately fighting CODEX by pointing to Dr. Laibow as a lunatic making up nonsensical claims that have no basis in fact. I ask again, is that her intention, or did she just get carried away?

148. DC122112 - November 3, 2011

Ok ,so what will codex actually do?what was Rima Laibow distracting us from? Explain to me what codex will do through your eyes

149. angryscientist - November 4, 2011

As I understand it, CODEX is the formal mechanism by which the pharmaceutical companies hope to do away with their competition. The FDA has tried and failed, because there has been too much angry public reaction to allow them to get away with it. However, the FDA, backed by their allies in mainstream media and politics, has already managed to yank some supplements (and US grown raw almonds) off the market, and create an atmosphere of fear with their armed raids, confiscations, persecutions, and propaganda, along with making it illegal to make any health claims for foods or supplements unless the claims are worded very carefully. I.e. one can say supplement X may help prevent a disease, but not that it will. CODEX may yet succeed where the FDA has failed. Then, as has already happened in Europe, most supplements will be illegal, and vitamins and minerals that are undeniably essential to life will be limited to potencies too low to have any health benefits (beyond the prevention of obvious deficiency diseases, like scurvy or rickets). Some higher potency vitamins might be available by prescription, at the incredible markups typical of pharmaceuticals.

Bottom line, CODEX is the instrument to harmonize standards for what can be sold to the liking of Big Pharma and Big Agribusiness, all over the world. Isn’t that bad enough? Why does Dr. Laibow have to make these wild exaggerations that anyone with a brain would know aren’t in the cards?

By the way, as far as I know CODEX doesn’t intend to outlaw organic agriculture. It doesn’t need to. As more and more genetically engineered varieties are planted, organic crops will all eventually be contaminated, so there won’t be any need to outlaw them; they will go extinct. To speed that process along, the GMO giants have been busy buying up seed companies with the aim of eventually patenting and monopolizing all crops. Not to mention, the recently passed Food Safety bill as originally written would have made it almost impossible for small or organic farmers to stay in business. Again, there was a public outcry, so an exemption for small farms was put in the bill.

150. niko - November 30, 2011

Good thread here, 3 years old and still going! Great work on this topic Angry. I’ve been trying to find hard evidence of Liabow’s sensational claims myself but to no avail. Not to say that CODEX is nothing to worry about, it is and she woke me up to the agenda but maintaining credibility is a key issue when challenging established views. That comes from well documented research (including accessible sourced references) and a very careful choice of words.

Glad I found this thread.

151. peter jacques - May 24, 2012

Sir
Why do you believe that codex is a threat to health freedom
Peter

152. angryscientist - May 25, 2012

Peter, did you read what I wrote above? How about my most recent comment, #149?

153. angryscientist - September 25, 2012

The Natural Solutions Foundation download page links to a document, Legal Summary, which contains this fascinating paragraph:

The Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements finalized by the Codex Alimentarius Commission July 4, 2005 are a non binding recommendation to the governments of the world. No nation is obliged to adopt them or to adopt laws that implement them. They are a loose framework to be considered, along with any and all other available dietary supplement information, by any country intending to adopt laws and or regulations governing vitamins and minerals food supplements.

Considering how Rima Laibow constantly claims that CODEX will enslave us all, that paragraph seems rather paradoxical. It seems she believes the alternative plan she backs, the Model International Dietary Supplement Act, is the answer to WTO tyranny.

154. angryscientist - January 12, 2013

Rima Laibow doesn’t restrict her outrageous exaggerations to CODEX. On the Gary Null show from Dec. 19, 2012, which KPFK broadcasted last Wed. morning, near the end of her commentary on the Newtown CT school massacre, she stated:

Many of these drugs, like fluoxetine, are 50% fluoride by weight

.
Wow. The formula of fluoxetine is C17H18F3NO. This is less than 20% fluorine by weight. Fluoxetine hydrochloride is Prozac; it contains one more hydrogen and a chlorine atom, so it is about one sixth fluorine by weight. I wonder if that was why Null cut her off shortly after that. Probably not; it was at the tail end of his regular show, though the podcast I linked above runs for another 15 minutes, so he could read her “really brilliant” article she wrote about the massacre.

Laibow isn’t the only one exaggerating about the fluorine content of Prozac. Mike Adams, the “Health Ranger” who Null has also had on his show many times, appeared on the Alex Jones show saying Prozac is 94% fluoride! I think he was the substitute host that day. Where he got that idea, nobody knows. Maybe he got it backwards; by number of atoms per molecule, Prozac contains about 93% atoms other than the fluorine.

155. Mecana - March 1, 2013

Check out SSRI Stories: http://ssristories.com/ We now have so many kids on prescription drugs, such a Ritalin and anti-depressants, the news articles can’t all be lying. We are not only talking Prozac here…

156. angryscientist - March 1, 2013

Yes? And your point is? Does it have anything to do with the topic?

157. Cami - April 13, 2013

I can see your point of no providing any evidence of her claims. But I am starting to see she wasn’t wrong. First raw milk is made illegal to sell. Then I was curious if she was able to stop Codex but it doesn’t look like it because it is already here. http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Codex_Alimentarius/index.asp
So maybe she wasn’t really sincere with activist group after all. With Codex regulations soon becoming into effecting the near future I am scared to live here in the US.

Cami - April 13, 2013

I had meant to say in my last statement: With Codex regulations being implemented already and coming into effect I am definitely scared to be living in the U.S. in the near future. I beginning to think all those conspiracy theories were right but the activists were wrong about being able to stop such havoc and evil doings. Simply because money is power.

158. Felix Scerri - January 3, 2014

Acrivists work hard at exposing the agenda of the NWO and it works. When the Illuminati see the people awakening they pull back on the most extreme stuff. The nay sayers then claim that they were lied to when in reality it’s the exposure that causes the men behind the curtain to slow down or even place some plans on the back-burner.

159. angryscientist - January 3, 2014

The only one of the three claims I quoted from Dr. Laibow’s video that ever had a chance of becoming reality, even at the time she made that video, was that CODEX will require that all food, unless it’s eaten locally and raw, must be irradiated. She’s not stupid or uninformed. She knew that. Yet she made those claims, after insisting everything she was revealing was unexaggerated, and documented. Why? Because it seemed more likely to scare people into sending her money to say CODEX mandates some really bad things than to say CODEX allows them? Note how her slippery lawyer tried to insinuate that what CODEX allows tends to become mandated down the road. Or worse, because she wanted to make it easy to discredit critics of CODEX, by making an example of herself as an alarmist who makes claims she could never back up?

160. Jim Stone - January 29, 2014

It actually is worse than these specious claims. Laibow defends child abusers as victims of vaccines.

“12,500 babies are expected to die of Shaken Baby Syndrome this year in the US alone. But Shaken Baby Syndrome is a hoax. The killer is vaccine reactions.
Learn more at this important webinar …”
{$25 to attend}
“Shaken Baby Syndrome is a way to shift the blame for vaccine injury to parents and caretakers, often with life long incarceration as the result. If there is a baby in your life, you MUST attend this webinar!
But it goes much further: if anyone else, like a child or an elderly person, has a serious vaccine response and you are in the vicinity, you could be facing murder charges, too.”

https://www.facebook.com/RimaELaibowMD
http://drrimatruthreports.com/sbs_webinar.html

161. angryscientist - January 30, 2014

Hmm. I don’t have a Facebook account, so I don’t know what she says about that there, but your second link doesn’t make those claims. However, it wouldn’t surprise me if she has taken liberties with the facts of this matter as well. There are indeed a number of people who have been falsely accused of Shaken Baby Syndrome and thrown in jail because their infants died from vaccine reactions. Gary Null covered one instance of that, the story of Alan Yurko, in his documentary Vaccine Nation. This is Yurko’s site. Yurko’s conviction for murdering his son was thrown out and he was freed after more than seven years in jail.


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