Is Dr. Rima Laibow Exaggerating About CODEX? August 8, 2008
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On June 14 I posted at the Gary Null Forum to update my original post, which questioned the motivations for certain outrageous statements Dr. Rima Laibow made about CODEX in a video, repeated nearly verbatim in an interview Gary Null did, which I heard on the local Pacifica station. I was careful not to embellish the story on Null’s forum, but I’ll state some of my conclusions at the end here. I got suspicious originally because of this appeal for money using the story of Laurie Jessop on her web site:
The family is in desperate need of support and legal assistance. The Natural Solutions Foundation is taking this threat to our collective Health Freedom and our Freedom of Speech very seriously. The Foundation will continue to assist and are building a network of natural physicians, Constitutional lawyers and other experts to be ready to act as “amicus curiae” – Friends of the Court – in similar cases. If you can help us fund or staff our Health Freedom Posse, please reply via email. Remember that your donations key to these battles!
Laurie Jessop requested emphatically that Health Freedom USA remove that appeal, but she was ignored. Orac has that linked on one of his posts attempting to prove Laurie Jessop’s story was just a hoax I made up. She never got a red cent from that appeal, only assurances that since her story was in the public domain, Health Freedom USA could care less how she felt about them using her story to raise money.
This was my original post at the Gary Null forum from Jan. 29 this year.
Dr. Rima Laibow has posted on her web site the video of her talk Nutricide – Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs.
The video begins with this: Let me tell you about Codex Alimentarius. Let me define it for you. Let me help you understand the enemy. And let me assure you, that absolutely nothing that I’m going to tell you is exaggerated, is interpolated, or is imagined. Everything I’m going to tell you is documented, and a great deal of it is documented on my web site.
At 16:18:
Let’s talk about milk. We have recombinant bovine growth hormone, and now we can choose milk with it or milk without it, butter with it, butter without it, right? Not under CODEX. Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone. Furthermore, under CODEX, every animal used for food on the planet, whether it has fins, feet, or feathers, every animal on the planet must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics, must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics and must be treated with exogenous growth hormones. CODEX requires, mandates, that all food be irradiated, unless it’s eaten locally and raw. All food, including organic food, of course.
Those are exact quotes from her video. On the morning of 12/13/2007, I sent the following fax to Natural Solutions Foundation:
Subject: CODEX
I tried to send an e-mail, but your system kept giving me an error, claiming I hadn’t entered a subject! I heard Dr. Rima Laibow say CODEX will require all cows to be injected with rBST, and all food to be irradiated. Did I hear that correctly? Could I get a source for these statements? I went poking around the CODEX site, but couldn’t find anything like that. Is it hiding, or did I just not know where to look? Please respond via e-mail. Thank you.I got no response. On 12/31/2007, I sent the following through their regular e-mail system, which had been fixed by then:
I heard Dr. Rima Laibow say CODEX will require all cows to be injected with rBST, and all food to be irradiated. Did I hear that correctly? Could I get a source for these statements? I went poking around the CODEX site, but couldn’t find anything like that. Is it hiding, or did I just not know where to look?
This is a second request. I tried to send this request for a source nearly three weeks ago, but your system kept giving me an error, claiming I hadn’t entered a subject! I sent a fax instead, but have received no response. If I do not get a satisfactory response within two weeks, I will assume there is no source and that Dr. Rima Laibow is exaggerating for effect, to frighten people into donating to this organization.
I still have received no response, and I’m out of patience. Can anyone document those statements, or am I to conclude they are exaggerations that cannot be documented? Dr. Laibow and her attorney Ralph Fucetola were prominently featured in Vaccine Nation, at least in the version premiered at the So. Calif. Health Support Group meeting on 12/09/2007. I think it’s detrimental to the credibility of the alternative health movement to have such people posing as authorities making outrageous statements that cannot be backed up about CODEX. Is that the intention? If not, what is the intention?
This was my update.
It has now been six months since I requested documentation of these claims. I did receive some responses shortly after I posted here, but these responses fall far short of what I’d consider documentation.
This was the first response, on Feb. 2:
Hi Alex! Certain foods are already being irradiated in this country, even without Codex and, as you must know, cows in many dairies have been getting the BST shot for years, though some dairies have stopped using it because of the problems it creates. Dr. Rima is in Africa at a Codex meeting and will be returning in a week. All you have to do is use the internet and google information on irradiation of foods, gm foods, foods that are sprayed with virusses, pasteuration of almonds, the list goes on and on! At our site at www.healthfreedomusa.org you can click on the tab along the heading about Codex and learn what is in the planning there! Or you can google Codex and learn a lot on the net. As for us trying to scare people into donations, we operate on a shoestring budget and most of the people on our mailing list are very aware of the power of the FDA/Feds/Pharmaceutical Companies. They are not scared by us– they are aware, educated and concerned about the monster the U.S. government is becoming. If you trust Big Pharma with your health, then by all means, stop using nutrients and enjoy their chemical mixes! But we choose the organic, non-irradiated, non gm foods that have NOT been sprayed with virusses! And we do not like the laws that the Powers that Be try to pass to keep us from having them. And frankly, we volunteers do not have the many hours it would take to see to your personal education. At the last Codex meeting, several small nations argued that GM foods should be labelled. The United States delegation insisted that they NOT be labelled because Americans won’t eat food that they know is GM. In other words, we should not have choices. This particular labelling issue is still up in the air. I am sorry if there are sometimes problems with the site- when we can afford to, we will have it upgraded. But you are wrong about the money. It is the PRO-Codex people who have lots of money- and they get it from the government and your taxes! -Kathy Greene for the Natural Solutions Foundation
I responded:
Thank you for the belated response. I asked for a source, not an education. I already knew most of that. This answer is evasion, not a satisfactory response. Dr. Laibow used the words all and every, not some. She was quite emphatic about it. I’m referring to her video Nutricide – Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs, about 16 minutes in. You are insulting my intelligence. I searched for anything to corroborate these claims. I found nothing. I did find on the blog, “All fruit and veggies imported into the US must be irradiated.” That’s not what Dr. Laibow said on the video, unless she means by locally grown, grown in the USA, and that all food is fruit or veggie. I also found something on your site noting that Europe and Canada have banned rBST. How does CODEX intend to get around that?
A week ago, tired of waiting, I transcribed the section of the video to post on the Gary Null Forum asking for corroboration of these claims. Nobody has volunteered any information. These are the exact quotes I posted there:
“Let me tell you about Codex Alimentarius. Let me define it for you. Let me help you understand the enemy. And let me assure you, that absolutely nothing that I’m going to tell you is exaggerated, is interpolated, or is imagined. Everything I’m going to tell you is documented, and a great deal of it is documented on my web site.”
“Let’s talk about milk. We have recombinant bovine growth hormone, and now we can choose milk with it or milk without it, butter with it, butter without it, right? Not under CODEX. Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone. Furthermore, under CODEX, every animal used for food on the planet, whether it has fins, feet, or feathers, every animal on the planet must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics, must be treated with sub-clinical antibiotics and must be treated with exogenous growth hormones. CODEX requires, mandates, that all food be irradiated, unless it’s eaten locally and raw. All food, including organic food, of course.”
Nothing is exaggerated, and everything is documented? I want a reliable source. It should not take you hours to find me that source, if it exists. If I don’t get one soon, I’ll be blogging about this. Maybe for the benefit of Gary Null’s readers, Dr. Laibow should post her response to my post at his forum.
I note that in my original request, I left out the qualifier for cows, “dairy” (which should have been obvious), and for all food, “unless it’s eaten locally and raw” (which covers a great deal more than imported fruit and veggies).
Alexander Wren
AKA Angry ScientistMs. Greene responded on Feb. 9:
Hi Alex! Dr. Rima is still in Africa and will not be back for at least another week. I personally cannot give you the “very precise” info you seem to think is necessary, so I will forward this to her for answer when she can take time away from the Codex fight to make you happy. Since she does not carry files with her when travelling, you may simply have to develop some patience. I was not at all evasive in my answer to you- I do not personally save all the research I read and thus cannot quote it directly to you- Personally, I suggest that you go ahead and trust Big Pharma and the FDA and eat everything that the government tells you is safe– and then remember to take the stick out, so it can pass through! -Kathy
I waited until Feb. 28, then responded:
My patience is wearing thin. Once it gets to be three months since I asked for a source, about two weeks from now, I’ll post these insulting evasive replies from Kathy on Gary Null’s message board as evidence of your bad faith. Then I’ll think about what to write on my blog. Maybe you don’t realize many bloggers consider themselves journalists. Stalling a request for a source is highly suspicious.
Alexander Wren
AKA Angry ScientistRalph Fucetola JD responded on March 2:
Dear Mr. Wren,
Dr. Laibow is unavailable to answer your inquiry. She asked me to help you find the information you seek. She has reviewed, by her estimate, over 16,000 pages of Codex information and concluded that the results of those regulations would be to effectively mandate food irradiation and the use of rBST additives.
I just Googled “rBST Codex” and got a number of references from about ten years ago: rBST was the subject of Codex rule making, but the final decision has not been concluded, thus leaving rBST allowable in any amount for the world food trade as may be acceptable to the receiving country.
http://www.foodcomm.org.uk/animal_rBST.htm
“Consumers win rBST delay at Codex
“In a landmark decision by the international food standards agency, Codex, an application to have a standard set for the residue limits of rBST was rejected, following appeals by Consumers International at a Codex meeting in June 1997. The USA had requested an international standard for minimum residue limits for the hormone, which would have effectively given it a trading licence by Codex.”
There is a book on Google Book Search that talks about later developments:
Case Studies in US Trade Negotiations where the footnote on page 308 says that JECFA “concluded that bST residual levels in milk were very low and that bST naturally found in milk is nontoxic. According to JECFA no MRL was necessary when rbST was administered properly.”
According to Food Chemical News $1 No. 21, July 12, 1999, the Codex regs are being held at step 8, which is the step before finalization.
But, of course, US FDA policy is to “harmonize” with such regulations “even when not finalized…” (see Code of Federal Regulations, October 11, 1995 (60 FR 53078) so it is fairly clear that Codex permits rBST products to be sold in countries such as the US.
We are dealing here with the World Food Code, not our Anglo-American common law, so this is a situation where what ever is permitted may very well become deemed obligatory.
Here is a good overview of Codex and food irradiation:
“Within Codex, food irradiation is classified as an additive. Thus, food irradiation falls under the jurisdiction of the Codex Committee on Food Additives and Contaminants (CCFAC). CCFAC depends on several sources of information in evaluating food additives. In the case of irradiation, CCFAC draws from the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committees on Food Additives (JECFA) as well as the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the International Consultative Group on Food Irradiation (ICGFI). As shown in an October 2002 report by Public Citizen, Bad Taste: The Disturbing Truth About the World Health Organisation’s Endorsement of Food Irradiation,2 the WHO has relied on a very small number of faulty studies in declaring food irradiation safe; this unscientific and shoddy work is the foundation of acceptance of food irradiation across the world. *** Codex has become an instrument of the liberalization of international trade, instead of a method to protect the food supplies of peoples across the world.”
“Codex weakened the international food irradiation rule to allow any food to be irradiated at any dose, regardless of how high. The new Standard contains no maximum radiation dose to which foods can be ‘treated.’ The previous limit was 10 kiloGray, a dose of radiation equivalent to 330 million chest X-rays. At such doses, the chemical composition of foods can be altered; vitamins, proteins and other nutrients can be destroyed; and flavor, odor and texture can be corrupted.”
“Since Codex standards are enforceable through the World Trade Organization, member nations that have food irradiation laws stricter than the new Codex Standard could have their laws challenged and overruled.”
A number of web sites have interpreted the allowance of irradiated foods to be tantamount to requiring such processes. See: http://www.care2.com/news/member/410531040/649659
“If FDA and Codex has its way, all food will be irradiated…”
In my view, that which is permitted under Codex, and to which the US FDA will harmonize, becomes mandatory under the SPS Agreement (Agreement on the Application of Sanitary and Phytosanitary Measures) and under WTO dispute resolution.
The process by which “voluntary” standards become WTO mandatory requirements is stated in many places:
“The Codex General Standard for Irradiated Foods (CAC/RS 106-1979) was adopted by the Codex Alimentarius Commission at its 13th Session in 1979 and was subsequently revised in 1983 by the 15th Session. This Standard has been submitted to all Member Nations and Associate Members of FAO and WHO for acceptance in accordance with the General Principles of the Codex Alimentarius.”
http://www.caobisco.com/doc_uploads/legislation/STAN106-EN.pdf
I believe it is fair to conclude that the norm for international trade is routine irradiation of foods moving in international trade, and certainly those produced by the largest global food companies, where the economics of the situation dictate treating all food substances alike.
Thus, while I cannot say that 100% of all foods moving in international trade are now irradiated, I believe it appropriate to assert that nearly all of the bulk food supplies upon which the world relies for wholesome nutrition are likely to be irradiated. Of course careful producers of organic foods, herbs and spices will do their best to avoid irradiation, that that hardly amounts to a couple percents of the world food trade.
In a world of non-finalized but domestically binding international standards, routine practices of the food industry are international law in practice and confirm Dr. Laibow’s concerns.
Ralph Fucetola, JD
The Vitamin Lawyer.com Consultancy
http://www.vitaminlawyer.com/
http://vitaminlawyerhealthfreedom.blogspot.com/
All Rights Reserved . . .—— Original Message ——
Received: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:14:59 AM EST
From: “Rima E. Laibow” (dr.laibow@gmail.com)
To: “Ralph Fucetola JD” (ralph.fucetola@usa.net)
Subject: Fwd: Contact: CODEXRalph, Dr. Laibow would appreciate it if you could respond to Mr. Wren.
KathyFinally an in depth response! I responded:
Thank you for your detailed response. However, I’m not buying your arguments. Here’s why. I wouldn’t be surprised if the FDA finds some excuse like CODEX to mandate rBST, but Dr. Laibow stated, “Because under CODEX, every dairy cow on the planet must be treated with Monsanto’s recombinant bovine growth hormone.” Our FDA doesn’t govern every dairy cow on the planet. You know as well as I the European Union would never go along with that. They’re pissed off enough as it is with US pressure to accept our genetically modified crops, and they’re not alone. Your argument is at best inconclusive. Dr. Laibow’s concerns may be justifiable, but that’s a far cry from claiming to have documentation that a worldwide requirement is already mandated, waiting for the right moment to spring it on an unwary world.
Regarding food irradiation, the link you cite at care2.com is to a posting from healthfreedomusa.org, hardly an independent source. You speak of “foods moving in international trade.” Dr. Laibow stated: “CODEX requires, mandates, that all food be irradiated, unless it’s eaten locally and raw. All food, including organic food, of course.” That goes a good deal further than “foods moving in international trade.” Besides, how could authorities know whether food will be eaten locally and raw, unless it is consumed at the premises it is sold, or originally produced? Are you implying eaten locally means the food doesn’t cross any international borders? I know most, if not all, imported foods are already required by US Customs to undergo irradiation or fumigation. You’re implying organic food might escape, but that’s not what Dr. Laibow said. At best, Dr. Laibow is jumping to conclusions about what might happen in a worst case scenario. You haven’t cited anything to document her outrageous statements, merely reasons why her concerns might be valid. This is not documentation. I’m a scientist. If you think you can snow me with your legal mumbo-jumbo, think again. So, is this the best you can do to document Dr. Laibow’s claims?
Evidently, that was supposed to be sufficient documentation; I’ve heard nothing since. I leave it to the reader to judge if my assessment is unfair or inaccurate.
This is an example of why the alternative health movement isn’t taken seriously. This woman and her lawyer go around making these eye-popping statements about what that nefarious CODEX is up to, but when asked to back them up, I got this crap. I don’t doubt CODEX is a threat to health freedom, but making these kinds of statements just gives the orthodoxy ammunition to say the alternative health movement is all quackery and doesn’t know what it’s talking about. They can point to Dr. Laibow as an example of someone well respected in the movement, supposedly an expert on CODEX, who makes outrageous unsubstantiated claims trying to scare people, and thus deserves no credibility. She may indeed be an expert on CODEX, but such easily disproven statements make her sound like she’s gone off the deep end. The medical orthodoxy is eager to exploit any weak link in the chain to cast doubt on the credibility of the alternative health movement. Is Dr. Laibow deliberately making that easier? If not, what’s her game? What’s the point of making claims she must know are exaggerated after making such a big point of saying
…absolutely nothing that I’m going to tell you is exaggerated, is interpolated, or is imagined. Everything I’m going to tell you is documented…
Like hell it is. She knows better. She’s doing this for a reason. Is it just to raise money from people naive enough to believe her? Or is her purpose more nefarious? Is she a spy on the alternative health movement, a plant to weaken it from within? The movement has enough trouble with unscrupulous profiteers who are in it for the money, not to help people. The quackbusters paint the entire movement with a broad brush, as if it’s nothing but a bunch of con artists selling snake oil. There are a few, along with some others who do help people, but think their particular remedy is a cure-all, or charge too much. All of this gets blown out of proportion, giving everyone questioning the orthodoxy a bad name. The last thing the movement needs is people making wild charges they can’t back up. The scientific truth isn’t on the side of the orthodoxy, but it can maintain its power as long as it can undermine the credibility of its critics. Critics who undermine their own credibility are doing the orthodoxy a big favor. I must question, whose side are they on?
Hey, thanks for writing this. I, too, watched one of Dr. Laibow’s videos and heard her claims about the allegedly evil Codex with its diabolical plan to slowly lead the world into ill-health and starvation via covert food tampering. Initially, I was startled, but when I couldn’t find the sources for her claims on Codex’s site or anywhere else for that matter, I wondered how she could have gained such privvy knowledge. I wrote to her asking if I was correct in hearing her say that Codex planned to classify vitamins as toxins and place limits upon the potency levels of supplementary vitamins and–per her strong implication–genetically modified foods that contain vitamins, yet I received an evasive reply that made a negative statement about Codex, possibly in an attempt to trigger my emotions and shut off my ability to reason in such a state, but the reply did not confirm or negate the truth of the information in question. I have since signed up for her email newsletter out of curiosity only, and each email that I receive from Dr. Laibow uses sensationalist tactics while making requests for donations. Hmm. I agree with you that Dr. Laibow seems to be either jumping wildly to conclusions and–I would add–getting lost in her own mania about it–or purposefully distorting data to create panic and exploit people for money in their state of fear.
Lately, she has been sending emails about the supposedly “weaponized” avian flu that, according to her, is being created with the aim of wiping out mass-numbers of people. Just today, though, she sent an email stating (I quote directly), “IF there is no Avian Flu pandemic, one reason might be that once the secret is made public, the PTB backs off.” Doesn’t it seem convenient that Laibow is creating an easy out for herself on the chance that her wild prediction might not bcome true? It’s interesting that her way out rests on attributing the failure of the avian flu to efforts (like hers) to make it public? It’s as if she’s saying that the avian flu is being concocted but that if it is never released into the public, it’s because SHE put an end to it; in either case, she is the hero. Definite circular logic.
I’m a well-educated and socially aware individual who is alert to the abuse of power in government and big corporations who mix personal interest with public policy, yet I am also not naive, and I recognize that a person (like Laibow) could see a potential profit in people like me by trying to instigate fear via the creation of a fantastical reality in which people react (monetarily) on instinct.
If Laibow is sincere in what are true efforts to save humanity from a fascist control of their diets, then I laud her, but the fact that she fails to site specific quotes and sources that directly confirm her allegations gives rise to suspicion.
I believe CODEX is a nefarious organization and will probably give cover to the FDA to try to make supplements much harder to get, maybe by prescription only at much higher prices. The FDA has already outlawed raw almonds and tryptophan, conducted raids on alternative doctors and health food stores, and there’s little doubt it has nutritional supplements and high-dose vitamins in its sights. Some European countries have already moved to put these under strict control. However, Dr. Laibow seems to have her own agenda, and I can’t trust anything she says after the slippery nonsense her cronies threw at me, a blogger trying to get a source for some of her more outlandish claims.
Bits and pieces of information of the kind can be coming
from various sources, including hysterical or hunches.
They all add up to waking me from bliss of not knowing,
and this I appreciate regardless of the postman.
Thanks for this post. I was just watching one of Dr. Laibow’s videos about this and was wondering the same thing about how well these CODEX regulations would go over in GM paranoid Europe. I work for a company that sells natural products and the FDA has targeted us for not being compliant with there very ambiguous rules over what claims we can make. I understand wanting to make sure US consumers are protected from harm from products, but I don’t think that really covers our products or the FDA wouldn’t allow us to sell them period. Anyway, with this in mind, I was intrigued to hear what Dr. Laibow had to say and do wish it was something more verifiable and not so Orwellian (as she would say). And you are right about the natural health movement needing competent voices. What they need is to form a lobbying group like everyone else in order to get their 2 cents into our government.
Dear all,
I have met Dr. Rima at some point when she was physically ill, she was recovering from poisoning.
This physician has been a drug free Psychiatrist in the US, this alone should give you a hint of how sincere she is in her journey battling for our rights for natural health. (did I mention it is about “our rights” ?)
Most of her opposition comes from highly organised coporation that exert heavy lobby. Let us not opose her, for that is clearly counter productive, even considering that we may rightly or not consider her claims too great. At the end of the day we are consumers, and the level of our ego has nothing to do with it.
Her husband is a retired US army general. If you think these two and the network of well-intended people around them have no mean of seeing clear/ reaching inside info; think twice. And if you want clearer insight into the battle because you are an educated man or woman whose opinion & influence matters, then support them! get closer to their organisation. Maybe you will be disapointed, maybe not; either way the issue is big enough to require your strenght and determination.
Warm regards.
“Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food”
Hippocrates 460 – 359 BC
you write:
I don’t doubt CODEX is a threat to health freedom, but making these kinds of statements just gives the orthodoxy ammunition to say the alternative health movement is all quackery and doesn’t know what it’s talking about
so why are you picking fights with the crusaders (called friendly fire)?
conserve your ammunition and choose your targets well….
Crusaders, huh? You ask why I’m picking a fight? Did you read this thread? Why was Laurie Jessop’s demand that these crusaders stop using her in that fund-raising appeal ignored? Why didn’t I get a real answer to my questions? Sincere people don’t dodge sincere questions with legal gobblydegook. What’s the point of making outlandish claims that can’t be backed up? I expect that from politicians, not scientists worth their salt. I asked for a source, only to be insulted with ridiculous evasions and insinuations. I’m supposed to believe these people are fighting for my rights? I smell Trojan horse.
I asked Dr Laibow how she knew that the flumist had been weaponized. She wouldn’t answer me.
I tried to post a simple message on one of her Yahoo groups urging people to vote against Democrats and Republicans, something you’d think she’d favor being so anti-government. I don’t think one message that might change the votes of one or two people was any threat to either Obama or McCain but Dr Laibow was adamant in refusing to allow me to voice my opinion.
That doesn’t make much sense for someone who claims to be against our government. You’d think she’d humor the people she’s trying to take money from by letting us voice our opinions about corrupt politicians.
Thank you so much for your blog, I just listened to Dr. Laibow’s warning of H5N1 being in the flu vaccine/spray and was about to forward it to everyone I know!! I’m so relieved that I didn’t ignorantly do that, how embarrassing it would have been if it turns out that the facts there are embellished too.
Her undocumented claims in her CODEX presentation are of great concern indeed. The claims were stated as documented fact. Her notes were carefully prepared. It was not a mistake. If, say, while preparing her speech she got riled up and exaggerated a bit, upon review of her notes she would have spotted her error, and removed it (or clarified it as being her prediction/belief). She would be well aware that ’someone’ would pick this up and run with it, damaging her/the movements credibility. It does look like this was done intentionally. It really does.
Interesting development. I found your site by googling Rima Laibow.
http://www.rense.com/general84/edvv.htm
Thanks for your excellent journalism. I have been wondering about this group for quite some time. It seems that they are really disconnected from any other sources of information or groups with similar concerns.
GREAT stuff. Thank you SO much for your work in questioning these people! Today, the NSF sent out another letter attacking EVERYONE who has ever said anything legitimate about Codex.
It’s all THEIR fault, if you listen to these whiners. They travel the world on other people’s money, supposedly doing this “out of the kindness of the hearts.” Right. What they did to Laurie Jessop is unforgivable. They tried unsuccessfully to take over the UFO movement in the 1990s…then set their sights on doing so within health freedom movement.
And angry scientists, I couldn’t agree more with your statement, “The medical orthodoxy is eager to exploit any weak link in the chain to cast doubt on the credibility of the alternative health movement. Is Dr. Laibow deliberately making that easier? If not, what’s her game?” And another question: why is Null featuring both of these people in his videos? What is HE smoking?
I know Gary Null sometimes puts people in his documentaries he doesn’t agree with, but Null can be fooled. One of his employees stole a lot of money a few years ago. Nobody is a perfect judge of character. I think Laibow and her lawyer have fooled a lot of people, and Null may be among them. However, if anybody has hard evidence of their dishonesty, I think Null would be interested in seeing it.
One would assume that a scientist would adhere to the golden rule to substantiate each and every allegation made instead of joining in unsubstantiated vilification exercises instigated against Dr. Rima Laibow by individuals pursuing their own agenda, who – by their own admission – had been diagnosed with mental disorders in the past. It is also a well known fact that a person’s morals and ethics are usually judged by the company you keep and John Best’s blatant lies spewed out on your blog don’t exactly instil confidence in the credibility of any statements made. Permit me to set the record straight. John Best is a member of the no-forced-vaccination forum hosted by the Natural Solutions Foundation and did not take very kindly to the fact that I, in my capacity as moderator of this group, rejected one of his posts, which was by no means a “simple message” as he wants you to believe but a call for “overthrowing the US government”, which a) was in violation of the list rules and b) wouldn’t bode very well in our current political climate. In response to his rude complaint, I sent him the following message:
“Before making a complete ass of yourself, I strongly suggest to improve your cognitive skills! One would assume that an adult would have outgrown by now childish petulance and narcissistic temper tantrums when immediate gratification is not forthcoming. I have received several complaints from other group members about your – I quote – “arrogant, childish, pathetic, brazen and uncouth verbal conduct” and would therefore appreciate it if you would refrain from causing further discord among the group members. I usually advise those suffering from overinflated egos to read the story of Humpty Dumpty again and to remember what happened to that chap in the end”. You see, John doesn’t like taking orders from women per se and his mental development in this respect seems to be somewhat stuck at the bottom of the evolution ladder, since – in his opinion – women have to be submissive to any moronic specimen endowed with a penis and should be “horsewhipped” if they disagree with him.
His vile and abusive statements have been amply documented on the Internet, including his ludicrous assumption that Abraham Lincoln was most probably gay caused by mercury. John also believes that engaging in fist fights with his 8 year old autistic son is “good parenting” and will prevent the child from becoming a “pussy”. for further particulars on this sociopath who lives under the misconception that he is God’s gift to the world, please refer to
http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=360
http://autismnaturalvariation.blogspot.com/2006/03/john-bests-greatest-hits.html
and
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2007/10/beyond-appallin.html
Monday, October 15, 2007
Beyond Appalling and Disgusting: The Thug John Best, jr
Update: Best’s behavior constitutes cyberbullying.
I have an internet friend I’ve never met in real life, Kevin Leitch. I know he is a real person, through a number of sources. Until this weekend, he wrote the excellent blog Left Brain / Right Brain. He is closing it because a moral midget named John Best is harassing his daughter, who has autism.
The reason LB/RB is shutting is because I cannot continue to allow my beautiful eldest girl to be exposed to the hatred and bullying she is recieving from John Best. John has seen fit to compare my beautiful child to a trained monkey because he didn’t like the fact she was progressing. He has made numerous jokes at her expense on that theme. He has assumed her identity online. He has encouraged others to do the same.
John Best also appears as “Fore Sam” in blog comments.
I will miss Kev’s commentary and especially his wonderful videos of his daughter.
More expressions of regret from:
Kristina Chew
Skeptico
Estee Klar-Wolfond
Joseph of Natural Variations
Orac of Respectful Insolence
The Bronze Blog
The Voyage
Living Healthy Centre (UK)
One Dad’s Opinion
Odd Time Signatures (Karoli’s even more irate than I am)
Club 166’s tribute to Kev
If you’d like to see a sample of what passes for Best’s thinking, Joseph of Natural Variations compiled a list of “John Best’s Greatest Hits”, back in March 2006.
Ingrid, I can’t be checking out every claim made on my blog, or censoring what I don’t believe, for that matter. I’ll defend my own statements, nobody else’s. You’re welcome to correct the record. This is a blog, not a court. It’s a forum for whoever wants to comment, besides what I want to say. I didn’t agree with much at that link at Rense either, but I’m not familiar enough with its subject matter to comment further. Do you have anything to say about my experience trying to get a source for what I still consider exaggerations about CODEX?
Not that I support all of Dr Laibow’s seemingly radical claims I can niether discredit her efforts . (Check out Ian Crane UK)
Recently in my Country of Canada our Federal Government is trying to pass Parlimenatary Law : Bill C51 and the amended Bill C52 which will put 80% of natural health products under the umbrella of pharmaceuticals. If pass, the ability for the consumer to aquire those controlled health products will become far more difficult…I remain unsure if this recent attempt by my government is related to their acceptance of the Codex standards but thought I would offer this as just some food for thought…and with the application of common sense it seems to me that “we the people” should have the inaleinable right to freely choose good nurtious food for our sustainance.
The very fact that Albert Stubblebine is connected to Michael Aquino is extremely dubious. I’ve seen enough to convince me these two are shills. However, people who deal in mind control are often victims of it themselves.
As the first person in the world to ever call attention to the Codex International threat to health freedom (via an article in Life Extension Magazine in 1996) I speak with authority when I say that the (so called) Natural Solutions Foundation is not trusted, or respected by any LEGITIMATE health freedom organization in the world including IAHF, NHF, ANH, AAHF, Mayday, La Leva di Archimede, Health Freedom Australia, The New Zealand Health Trust,The Dr.Rath Health Foundation, Well TV and others.
NSF is a controlled opposition group that is misdirecting the grass roots on the Codex issue. They would have people believe you can stop Codex AT Codex. You cannot! We have no influence over unelected bureaucrats from the world’s FDAs at UN Codex meetings and never will. Everything that occurrs at those meetings is decided before the meeting even takes place.
The only chance we have of stopping Codex (and the thing NSF never talks about) is by stopping regional harmonization through which the USA is being dismantled and forced into a North American Union Dictatorship modelled after the EU, which is a Dictatorship.
If NSF were for real, they’d be urging the grass roots to push for Congressional oversight on FDA’s Trilateral Cooperation Charter with Canada and Mexico via which FDA is harmonizing the food and drug regs of all 3 countries as if a North American Union were already in existence. See http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3113337.htm
For additional information see SPIN of NSF/CFH Exposed:http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3312735.htm
See: A Modern Major General Exposed? by Paul Taylor of the Dr.Rath Health Foundation http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html
If any of you want to learn the truth behind the Natural Solutions Foundation, I strongly suggest you listen to my shows “What’s Ailing America?” on 12/13/08 and 12/27/08 with Dr True Ott & John Hammell at http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/index.php?cmd=archives.month&ProgramID=36&year=8&month=12&backURL=index.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives.getyear%2526ProgramID%253D36%26year%3D8%26backURL%3Dindex.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives
. On the 12/27 show, an ex-FDA official called in to speak of how Laibow TOLD him at a Codex meeting that she is FOR Codex. He has written an affidavit, which will be posted on my website http://www.drcarley.com soon, along with Dr Ott’s charges that they are committing fraud.
As for Laibow “building a network of natural physicians”…who are they? Those physicians (including me) are losing their licenses for healing people, and this false front organization does nothing to help or even get the word out about this! In fact, their attorney, Ralph Fucetola, was retained by me to be my legal advisor when the NYS medical board charged me with having a “delusion of conspiracy” over a public access TV show I did. They refused to allow him to be in the room with me for the hearing, and rather than file an immediate appeal on that issue (how can an allegedly “mentally challenged” person not be allowed to have legal help?), he got in his car and drove back to NJ.
John Hammell is the one who has truly been fighting Codex; these psyops minions were brought in to make sure he didn’t succeed. They are also in the “hall of shame” on my site as being disinformers in the “mercury causes autism” scam. They are distracting and confusing people, and making a pretty penny while doing so. The disinformers must be exposed, as they are the ENEMY of health freedom!
In Service to the TRUTH,
Rebecca Carley, MD
Court Qualified Expert in Vaccine Induced Diseases
To Angry Scientist: I have to ask what is your credentials to bash HealthfreedomUSA.org???
Did you go to the Codex website and take a look at the over 200 persistant organic pollutants that Codex plans to place in our foods, drinks, supplements???
I went online and took a very good look at them. These persistant organic pollutnats known as (pops) cause all kinds of Cancer, Luekemia, Sickle Cell Anemia, Neurodegenerative, NeuroMuscular diseases and more in Humans, Animals and Marine Life.
Even Codex Alimentarius knows this so to make sure we are safe they indeed use Toxicology or Risk Assessment. They gladly use the L/D 50 approach where they know what will kill 50% of all animals!
They then divide by 100 and claim they have discovered the upper permissable safety margin where we will not drop dead!
They do not tell us the upperpermissable safety margin accumulates to the buildup of deadly toxins! The buildup of these deadly toxins creates Cancer, Luekemia, Sickle Cell Anemia, Neurodegenerative and NeuroMuscular illnesses!
Codex knows that irradiation X-rays of foods, drinks, supplements will destroy vitamins, minerals, nutrients in foods, drinks, supplements!
Codex also knows that irradiation of soil, liqiud manure will destroy all vitamins, minerals and nutrients in all soil and liquid manure.
Codex knows that Microwaves discovered by Nikola Tesla and then the intervention of the Nazi’s with what we call the Microwave oven also destroys all vitamins, minerals and nutrients in all foods, drinks, supplements???
Did you know that chemicals, drugs, growthhormones create illness in every animal and marine life they are placed in and then when they are ill before they are allowed to slaughtered they receive antibiotics which create candida albicans which is yeast.
Did you know that if human and animal bodies are overwhelmed with yeast they clog vital organs in animal and human bodies???
Did you know that when the colon and liver are clogged with yeast the Hypothalamus gland shuts down and diseases such as obesity, acid reflux, allergies, asthma, diabetes type 2 and more occurs???
Did you know that honeybees are dissappearing all over the world where GMO plants and crops are grown???
Did you know that GMO plants and crops are deadly poison to young honeybees???
Did you know that GMO and GE plants and crops are not the foods mankind has had access to since human beings have come into existence.
Did you know that a Company called Roche Labratories developed a vaccine called Tami Flu in the early 90’s to be used against the Avian Bird Flu scheduled to hit the entire world in the year 2010???
Did you know that a Company with the initials (GDS) bought the patent for Tami Flu in the year 1996???
Did you know that while they have a version of Tami Flu on the market they are stockpiling their true strength version of Tami Flu for the entire world when the Manmade Avian Bird Flu is announced and the world is informed the only way to survive is Tami Flu???
Did you know the experts that will be brought in to enlighten us on their version of the Avian Bird Flu will be the UN’s WTO, FAO and Codex Alimentarius???
Did you think that Dr. Rima Laibow was lying when she said Codex Alimentarius will enter almost every country in the World Dec. 31, 2009???
If you really are an Angry Scientist then it will be very easy for you to verify if I have lied to you or told you the truth???
I believe that Codex Alimentarius is a direct threath to every human being on the planet except for those that are in on what is going to happen.
If you believe I do not know what I am talking about what are you going to say when Codex Alimentarius enters almost every country in the world at the end of this year? What are you going to say when vitamins, minerals and nutrients are declared illegal by UN law?
What are you going to say when Codex declares the world is now under the attack of the Avian Bird Flu?
If you are the angry scientist you say you are you need to redirect your anger to the UN, WTO, WHO, FAO, Codex Alimentarius, Big Pharma, Big Bio-Techna, Big Chema, Big Agra-Biz and their Ph.D’s
P.S. In defense of Big Medica I believe those doctors and medical personal are innocent and only practicing what they were taught in Medical School. The Info. they are taught according to my understanding is produced by Big Pharma!!!!
Please send me your responce
Yeah, I knew most of that, though what with all your spelling and grammatical errors, it’s hard to decipher some of it, and I think some of it is oversimplified or inaccurate. Regardless, what does any of that have to do with Dr. Laibow’s exaggerations? If you think I’m defending or downplaying CODEX, you completely missed the point.
Hi I live in Norway, where codex is implimented, and it is true, they won’t let us have cereal, for instance, with vitamins. Nothing is vitamin fortified. You do need a prescription for things you could get over the counter in the USA. I have only been here for a few months. There is no squash or spinage or herbs in the stores such as fresh basil or parsley, though you can buy spices. There are few stores which sell vitamins. Alot of the multivitamins, dont have b vitamins. But you can get some, however the average uneducated consumer could start to get b vitamin deficient. we have mivitotal which cost about 40 dollars a bottle.
Shes a crazy hippy who runs a bussiness (poorly maybe in the pr sense), but its a bussiness that affects us also and what she says, im sorry to inform you is closer to the truth than not.
This (Laibow) really does seem like classic co-intelpro and disinformation. Her husband is a psy-ops specialist and linked to Aquino (who is a REAL LUNATIC!).
Make all these wild claims–after you’ve made yourself the unofficial ’spokesperson’ for the ANTI-CODEX movement– and bring the whole movement down with you.
Just My Two Cents
I think that these people, [I say this after signing up for their newsletters] have their hair on fire about the right things, at the right times, but I do not think that people should invest themselves wholeheartedly in her organization just yet.
My first problem was with “the general” he’s her husband, when she was on alex jones she kept calling her husband “general” alex seemed uncomfy but in that southern way he didnt go “wtf” though you could tell he was thinking it, nobody can deny she has serious info though, then some of the names of some people they are associated with “valley of the moon” for instance, having had an informal mystery school run through- im seeing red flags everywhere with that.
I think EVERYTHING she is talking about is probably true or worse, and she is at the ground floor of what could turn into a massive movement once this thing hits the states. Thats my worry, since she is a little like everybody’s Aunt Loopy.
That does not mean i didnt sign up for their newsletter and stuff. If she is Legit, we are in trouble, if she is not legit we are in more trouble, because it means that they are anticipating our anger and giving us a leader so they can force this on us while we think we are fighting “globally”, but i dont think she is exaggerating, evil people are spiking babymilk. If she is legit she will weather the storm, i still appreciate the work she did because before seeing her video i didn’t know what codex was
The best thing for people to do is bring attention to codex and even show them her film, it very apparent that she is emotional and could probably have said some things that she should not have said but we all know enough to see that this CODEX thing could very well be a silent killer. We need more research on it, and more people need to do films, which i think may be in the works now.
Thanks for your work, i found this because im queazy about them too
Nappy Geisha
So many of the anti-Codex activists are busily engaged in promoting disinformation. Such as the oft-repeated claim that Codex is a weapon to be used by shadowy world leaders to kill off perhaps 93% of the world’s population through starvation and malnutrition, that FDA-approved levels of food irradiation destroy all vitamins in all foods, and the like.
I find it exceptionally strange that Dr. Laibow’s Foundation has not one nutritionist on the board (only herself – a retired psychiatrist, her husband – a retired military officer, and a lawyer.) I also find it strange that she and her husband are on the Board of Directors of Canadian Submarine Technologies. That has always seemed such an odd pairing of directorships.
Dr. Laibow and her cohorts are not providing science-based information backed up by credible evidence – they are utilizing scare tactics.
For anyone wishing to see more information about how these pseudo-scientists promote their ideas, check out the exchange with one author of an anti-Codex article published in Natural News, and witness the ridiculous lengths to which some will go to avoid answering simple and logical questions as to the scientific validity of their arguments and to avoid admitting that their “facts” are not supported by the scientific literature.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/733929969/880464
You have an agenda of your own, Lindsey. I wouldn’t trust Dr. Laibow, not after my interaction with her organization, but your faith in conventional wisdom sets off all kinds of alarm bells in my head. For example, I quote you from the above link you supplied:
This researcher you quote so confidently is full of it. It’s true enough irradiation won’t destroy minerals; those are elemental metals that could only be destroyed by radiation intense enough to transmute them into other elements. However, vitamins, proteins, and other constituents determining nutritional value are greatly compromised by irradiation. Ever heard of radiolytic products?
Scientists for hire are so fond of claiming all legitimate research is on their side. That’s how reckless science has created an endless parade of disasters, while the scientific literature these thoroughly corrupted scientists and regulators recognize as legitimate never sees the writing on the wall, until finally the disaster is so palpably undeniable, the literature not recognized as legitimate that did predict problems suddenly becomes respectable. Most scientific literature conventional wisdom recognizes as legitimate claims genetically modified crops are, for all intents and purposes, indistinguishable from crops with intact DNA, and that there is no difference in nutritional value between organic and conventionally grown crops. Those are supposedly facts supported by all the legitimate scientific literature, but they are merely self-serving propaganda, as mythical as clean, safe nuclear energy too cheap to meter, or clean coal.
Laibow’s actions and personal history make it clear she is not to be trusted.
How come Rima and Albert stopped talking about UFOs? Simple question.
I am ever grateful to you, Angry scientist, for hosting this debate, -while at first I have to admit I was a bit annoyed at seeing the question of a health issue being turned into a partisan trench-war.- Who care about names really?
All I want is good food. I want scientists not to accept GMO’s based on a political agenda for instance; or not to bring about POPs for matters of capitalism… I expect decision makers not to confuse the relevant reference point of a given topic against that of “choosing sides” or “personal agendas”.
The true Ethic of science really is what I am calling for; regardless of who gets the credit. True detachment from honorable people doing the right thing at the right place and time.
Science is great really, but life is just greater…
Science is about analysis, but all that we dissect..is dead ..let’s not forget that (adapt. Anthony De Mello) . I believe that unless scientist bow to life itself they haven’t really understood their own art; its potential and its limitation.
speaking for me, I ain’t go much right through my left brain. (Isn’t the left brain only 50% of the mental kingdom… makes me related to the post above with the example of this given men denying the power of woman…against the obvious that most sane minds observe).
These times are about healing.
Going through this beautiful space intended to hold a critical debate over the claims of Dr. Laibow; I see much light piercing through the bullshit, piercing through the use of words and the intended-opacity of legislative documents. I see warriors rising.
Again, I would like to mention I have met both Dr. Rima and her Husband.. and I would like to mention that I have heard him say the following regarding his military career, and maybe what we could see as his turning his back to it.
“I used to believe what I was told, now I look at facts”$
We all have space for a fresh future.
The beautifull people voicing their opinion on this blog are just that beautiful people! and the theme set by Angry scientist, that of uprooting the bullshit, will prevail.
So too, will life prevails even though the codex, the bird flue and those god-knows-what. Life I say, is that which finds its way. As scientist we are merely observers of the backlog and as yogis; waves-surfers. In both case, the sea not the fish is of higher hierarchy, what we can do, if we so choose, is to harmonize (with lower case of the first 4 letters) our dancing together.
Thank you. with love to you, and love for the simple things.
simple like a salad from our own garden that we can eat, for instance.
“Let food be your medicine and medicine be your food”
Hippocrates 460 – 359 BC
Dr. Laibow also put out a warning H5N1is being mixed with H3N2 vaccine. That has come to pass (Helen Branswell Canadian Press Feb. 27/09).
We all have to do our own research & decide for ourselves.
The fact is that the MSM (Main Stream Media) is not doing a very good job of objectivly informing the public.
Thank your God for the blessings of the internet !
Hi der,
It is strange how ‘certain’ science is of itself, especially bio-sciences!! I feel your anger, but it is misplaced. Misplaced because the whole image of science as being almost fully understood/comprehensive enough to warrant a semblance of ‘truth’ is questionable.
Over the yeas, I have floated some odd ideas to Rima. She was quite receptive to them and did not shy away knowing that she and I (and most others) share a profound ignorance of these sciences. I very much appreciate such intellectual candor.
Here is one of them: Watson (of Crick/Watson) wrote a little bit about the prototype for ALL biological reactions. A + B >>>> X + Y.
Watson went further to elucidate that biological reactions are catalyzed by 1) enzymes and 2) co-factors AND 3) ENERGY. Because we falsely assume that energy means only heat, we too often tend to ignore this reality. Energy is heat, light, sound, ell kinds of electricity, magnetic, gravitation, shape …. etc, etc. One of the most repeatable displays of energy variance is the seasons. I would then assume that (if this were taken seriously) that not only would good diet strategies reflect season changes, but that All biological experiments account o this variation. ‘Outlandish’ this seems until one reads a book like “Lights Out” T.S. Wiley: where mice (bred to develop cancer) remained totally cancer-free ), even if assaulted with cancer-causing agents. [If they got sufficient (seasonal) sleep.}
{{ Can’t you just hear the screams from both the purveyors of poor/insufficient science as represented by Codex or Life Extension?}}
Maybe instead of getting ‘angry’ it may be better to become ‘the humble-scientist’?
Nope, I don’t think my anger is misplaced at all. I’ve got plenty to be angry about, partly because of the arrogance of too many scientists for hire who think they know what they’re doing, monkeying with DNA, nuclear power, and other means of destroying natural balance. I also don’t like being treated like a fool, as I have been by Dr. Laibow’s surrogates, none of whom displayed the slightest bit of intellectual candor with me. Maybe that’s because I represent some kind of threat to her, whereas you seem to be in her good graces.
By the way, whoever assumed energy only means heat? That’s news to me. If I recall correctly, kinetic and potential energy have been part of scientific theories at least since Newton. Maybe you’re referring to the heat energy released or consumed by exothermic or endothermic chemical reactions.
I’m skeptical that sufficient sleep is by itself able to ward off cancer, though there are ways to counter things that would ordinarily cause cancer. Also, if one eats locally produced food, the diet would have to vary by season. This is not some kind of novel or outlandish idea. Seasonal affective disorder is another example.
Having been a follower of alternative news for the last 10 years or so I find this article extremely interesting. There is for sure (in my opinion) a rat-bastard-cointelpro operative working here. I first heard about something called Codex Alimentarius on the Alex Jones Show KLBJ Austin, TX about this time last year.
I, as well as millions of other listeners heard Dr. Laibow talk about it for the very first time. Her information nexuses very well with his information and many of his well-informed & well-trained guests.
I have to say that I find it very hard to believe that the Illuminati purposefully got her involved to bring the issue “out into the light”. The simple reasoning of course is that; everything else they’ve done has been done “in the dark”, in secrecy, in near absolute to-the-death types of secrecy. The modus operandi doesn’t fit their pattern of actions.
I agree and acknowledge that these Bilderberg globalists have many “mockingbird” operations going on, even all around the world. But they are almost exclusively working to destroy those who are telling the truth. Plus, Dr. Laibow and her husband now live in Panama according to her and I remember her soliciting for funds to help their operation – - which puts them in no position whatsoever to “take over” any health movement.
Therefore, what I fail to understand is why all of you NSF opposers are so concerned with memorializing your differences.. Why aren’t you working together to attack this coordinated effort to monopolize the world food-farming industry.
This is simply supposed to be an article that takes issue with how NSF has presented the issue, right AngryScientist?? This has nothing to do with muddying the waters of resistance right? And you do whole heartedly, as you’ve stated previously, DO know about Codex and it’s genocidal aspirations??
Ok, good. And yet nearly each person here has engaged in exactly the same kind of chicanery as you claim that NSF has. There are ad hominem attacks, misspelling and misquoting going on all over this post. Google ad hominem, it’s the lowest form of debating or arguing someone.
At the end of the day, Rima & her husband have opened my eyes to the larger macroscopic picture at hand here. And once again, I just can’t believe that the Illuminati WANTED to tell me about their murderous Codex plan via the largest alternative radio show on the planet…
HOWEVER, I would be very willing to take an hour or two out of my busy day to listen to you as a guest on the Alex Jones program. In case you’ve never heard, he is infamous for breaking huge news, especially of the whistleblower type long before the MSM will start reporting.
If you have rock-solid evidence of her and/or her husband being cointelpros’ on this subject that is huge news that many people will want to here.
Please then, I beg you to call his producers and get scheduled to be on, I will definitely listen. Email Aaron Dykes at aaron@infowars.com and if that doesn’t work I can help set you up as well.
My email is oceanswestbc@hotmail.com
I don’t have rock-solid evidence of anything, just a lot of suspicions and no answers. The slippery way she dealt with me raised more suspicions. If she’s on the level, why treat me like a ignoramus or someone who trusts the government? I’d be on her side if I could believe what she’s saying. Some of it, I’m sure is accurate. Otherwise, I have no idea why she’s saying things that are clearly exaggerated, extrapolated, or outright bogus. It sounds too much to me like the tactics of an agent provocateur. You know, mix up the truth with some dubious assertions, and anyone on the other side can use the latter to dismiss everything as bunk.
As for the other commenters, I’ll say again, I’m not responsible for or defending what anyone else says. Neither do I want to censor anyone, regardless of how strongly I might disagree with them, though some commenters crossed the line, so I did censor a few comments.
thank you for using your anger in a focused productive way. Thank you for using Occam’s razor to cut away BS (belief Systems) and ask the question again when it doesn’t get answered.
Sorry other bloggers are so confused about the science, but it appears as if you’re trying your best to find the strongest facts that can be used to combat Codex, trying to lead Rima toward strengthening her argument sourcing or refining it to what CAN be sourced. There is no better help – no better friend to ‘her’ cause.
Only our best friends call out our BS – so thanks again.
one more thing: It appears from your ref’s and your logic that you are high-functioning in a way that requires you to simplify your analysis for blog consensus reality, but at this point we could all benefit from see you think as deep and wide as possible. I think you’d find your LOVE of science and truth sufficient to inspire us to keep reading even when it pushes us to grow our database a little.
After all, this thread, this site, this Web, is either about us growing our personal database or it’s just amusing us to death…
I personally don’t know where Dr. Rima Laibow is getting these facts from and maybe it does seem like she’s exaggerating, but I think that, even if she is unable to back up her statements with some evidence, it doesn’t take a genius to work out that Codex will indeed lead to the death of about half the world’s population. If you think about it logically it makes sense and isn’t really far-fetched at all. I am one of the many people who rely on dietary supplements to maintain health. I have had serious health problems in the past and can’t see myself living much longer if I can’t continue to take natural medication, and I know loads of people in the same position. I can’t believe people are naive enough to believe that the impact of Codex won’t be just as great, if not greater, than what Dr. Laibow claims. If you really knew what GM foods, artificial sweeteners and additives did to you, you would understand that this is not an exaggeration. In case you don’t all know this already, prescription drugs are the second biggest killer in the world. Isn’t it obvious what will happen when people have to rely on antibiotics and painkillers to stay alive? It really surprises me that people are so shocked by Dr. Laibow’s statistics and claim that some of her statements are “outrageous”. To me it seems very logical and I guessed this would happen before even watching her report. Another thing, angryscientist, is that you at some point claim that the European Union won’t stand for Codex. It’s clear that you don’t know anything about the EU then. I live in Europe, study European politics and economics and dedicate myself to investigating the validity of conspiracy theories and, although I’m not exactly a qualified expert, I know more about the matter than most people and I think I can say, without exaggerating in the slightest, that the EU is the most evil dictatorship in Europe since Nazi Germany. Anyone who thinks that anything the EU does is for the good of the people rather than just for economic and power-driven reasons is seriously deluded. The EU just screams evil dictatorship really, with all the features: Napoleonic law (whereby something is illegal unless explicitly permitted), extreme censorship of the media, racism, xenophobia and religious intolerance, complete loss of human rights and the freedom to express beliefs (illustrated by the impending introduction of mandatory vaccinations) etc. Really the only thing that was missing was large-scale genocide, and now that Codex is being introduced they’ve got that one covered too. The EU has already agreed to enforce Codex so do’t fool yourselves about that. It WILL happen. In conclusion, I honestly don’t think it matters much where Dr. Laibow got this information from, because if you are intelligent enough and politically aware, you really should be able to work out that at least half the world’s population will die as a result of Codex
What I said about the EU was,
Do you expect the EU to rescind its ban of rBST, which more and more dairy companies are deciding to dump, because of consumer resistance? I’m not disputing that CODEX will be deleterious to public health. I take a bunch of supplements myself which might get banned. You think I miss the point. I think you missed my point, which is that making clearly exaggerated claims doesn’t help the cause. On the contrary, it just gives ammunition to the authorities to poison the well, allowing them to point out this prominent opponent of CODEX as someone who deserves no credibility.
I think there are bigger threats to public health than CODEX, so if half the world population dies, it probably won’t be directly attributable to CODEX. CODEX will, however, make it much harder for people to protect their health from the increasing toxic burdens.